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The Cover-Up: How Was Movement from Phase I to Phase II Justified?
#11
John,

The WW III scare that is the Phase I scenario was created for a reason: To force powerful figures not involved in the conspiracy to go along with what to them would be immediately recognizable as the patently false LHO-alone Phase of the cover-up.

Earl Warren, among many others, was so-deceived.

I strongly suggest that you read Peter Dale Scott's explanation of his multi-phase cover-up hypothesis as it is excerpted here and offered in detail by the author at

http://www.history-matters.com/pds/DP3_Overview.htm


Oswald, Russia, and Cuba: How the Managed Oswald Stories Led to the Warren Commission

As noted earlier, the DFS played a central role, along with the CIA, in the management of conspiratorial stories about Oswald in Mexico, including the false Oswald-Soviet intercept. The key to this procedure, as I argued in Deep Politics, was a two-fold process. Phase One put forward the phantom of an international plot, linking Oswald to the USSR, to Cuba, or to both countries together. This phantom was used to invoke the danger of a possible nuclear confrontation, which induced Chief Justice Earl Warren and other political notables to accept Phase Two, the equally false (but less dangerous) hypothesis that Oswald killed the President all by himself.

This book affords a close-up look of the genesis of the Phase-One story, and how it was first promoted and then defused by the CIA. Michael Beschloss has revealed at, at 9:20 AM on the morning of November 23, CIA Director John McCone briefed the new President. In Beschloss' words: "The CIA had information on foreign connections to the alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, which suggested to LBJ that Kennedy may have been murdered by an international conspiracy."[20] It would be wrong however to think that the CIA cover-up was limited to defusing this Phase-One impression of an international conspiracy. The CIA, by covering up the falsity of the alleged Oswald phone call to the Soviet Embassy, actually helped strengthen a spurious supposed link between Oswald and an alleged Soviet assassination expert, Valeriy Kostikov.

It is not certain whether the conspiracy McCone referred to on November 23 involved Cuba or the Soviet Union. Beschloss's account implies that McCone's "information" concerned Oswald's alleged visit in September 1963 to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City:

A CIA memo written that day reported that Oswald had visited Mexico City in September and talked to a Soviet vice consul whom the CIA knew as a KGB expert in assassination and sabotage. The memo warned that if Oswald had indeed been part of a foreign conspiracy, he might be killed before he could reveal it to U.S. authorities.[21]

Johnson appears to have had this information in mind when, a few minutes after the McCone interview, he asked FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover if the FBI "knew any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy."[22]

But widely scattered clues, to be explored in this book, suggest that the US Government was thinking of a Cuban connection to Oswald even before the Soviet one. Already on November 22 the FBI was reporting a claim never mentioned in CIA records: that the false Oswald-Soviet phone call was made by Oswald while telephoning "from the Cuban Embassy."[23]

FBI Agent James Hosty, who handled the Oswald file in Dallas, has written that he learned later from two independent sources that at the time of Oswald's arrest,

fully armed warplanes were sent screaming toward Cuba. Just before they entered Cuban airspace, they were hastily called back. With the launching of airplanes, the entire U.S. military went on alert.[24]

These planes would have been launched from the U.S. Strike Command at McDill Air Force Base in Florida. We have a cable from U.S. Army Intelligence in Texas, dated November 22, 1963, telling the Strike Command (falsely) that Oswald had defected to Cuba in 1959 and was "a card-carrying member of the Communist Party."[25] As discussed below, these allegations are incompatible with the present Phase-Two account of Oswald's life, but were corroborated at the time. At 4:00 PM on the afternoon of November 22, Hoover told Bobby Kennedy that Oswald "went to Cuba on several occasions, but would not tell us what he went to Cuba for."[26] (There is nothing in FBI files on Oswald, as released to the public, to suggest either that Oswald had visited Cuba, or that he had been interrogated about such visits by the FBI.)

We know from other sources that Bobby Kennedy, on the afternoon of November 22, was fearful of a Cuban involvement in the assassination. Jack Anderson, the recipient of much secret CIA information, suggests that this concern may have been planted in Bobby's head by CIA Director McCone.

When CIA chief John McCone learned of the assassination, he rushed to Robert Kennedy's home in McLean, Virginia, and stayed with him for three hours. No one else was admitted. Even Bobby's priest was turned away. McCone told me he gave the attorney general a routine briefing on CIA business and swore that Castro's name never came up....Sources would later tell me that McCone anguished with Bobby over the terrible possibility that the assassination plots sanctioned by the president's own brother may have backfired. Then the following day, McCone briefed President Lyndon Johnson and his National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy. Afterward McCone told subordinates -- who later filled me in -- what happened at that meeting. The grim McCone shared with Johnson and Bundy a dispatch from the U.S. embassy in Mexico City, strongly suggesting that Castro was behind the assassination.[27]

Such dispatches did emanate from the Mexico City embassy, although we know of none as early as November 23. Three days later the Ambassador, Thomas Mann, the CIA Station Chief, Winston Scott, and the FBI Legal Attache, Clark Anderson, enthusiastically promoted wild allegations that Oswald's act had been plotted and paid for inside the Cuban Embassy (see Chapter IV).[28] We know that McCone was wedded to this story, and continued to share it confidentially even after its narrator, the Nicaraguan double agent Gilberto Alvarado, had first recanted it on November 30.
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#12
Charles Drago Wrote:Cliff, John,

For the purposes of this thread, I'm not interested in the criminal acts of LBJ or Harriman or anyone else.

OF COURSE those who created Phase I of the cover-up knew it was a lie.

Don't over-complicate my question.

I'll try to ask it one more time:

How were the most powerful people in and around government who, innocent of any involvement in the conspiracy, were told and accepted as being true what today we call the Phase I story, mollified when they asked (and I believe many of them did), "If we go along with this cover-up of Cuban and Soviet complicity for the greater good, how and when will the guilty Cuban and Soviet parties be punished?"

My hope is that I've finally found the words and constructions required to make my point.

Because I'm done trying.

I don't buy it, Charles. I seriously doubt anyone in power asked that question. They were told it was a lone nut. End of discussion. The Soviet-Cuban connection to Oswald was obliterated in American public discourse.
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#13
John Mooney Wrote:People in Government and power are generally not stupid and are usually deeply suspicous.

Did you sleep through the Reagan and GWB years?
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#14
I see your point, Charles. Good question.
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#15
Cliff Varnell Wrote:I don't buy it, Charles. I seriously doubt anyone in power asked that question. They were told it was a lone nut. End of discussion.


It's not that simple, Cliff.

http://www.history-matters.com/pds/DP3_Overview.htm


Cliff Varnell Wrote:The Soviet-Cuban connection to Oswald was obliterated in American public discourse.

Those doing the "obliterating" included conspirators who knew it was a lie, and non-conspirators who believed it to be true but supported the WC conclusions out of WW III fear.

And by the way, your "obliteration" has not prevented Joe Trento, Brian Latell, Lawrence Keenan and the makers of the Rendezvous with Death German television "documentary," and others from breathing contemporary life into Phase I.
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#16
Charles Drago Wrote:Did you sleep through the Reagan and GWB years?

You think they were stupid?

I don't.

GWB was verbally dyslexic for sure ("food on your family" classic) and he had a southern drawl which can give the impression of being a bit slow, but he wasn't stupid.

People in politics are normally "smart" (cunning, sly and deceptive usually).

What did you think of my point about the group who had wider suspicions then a simple cuban/russians did it?
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#17
Nothing at all.
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#18
Charles, you're too quick! I had missed your point, and revised my comment.
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#19
Fair enough, Cliff.
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#20
Everyone - this scenario can only be understood and explored within the perameters of Peter Dale Scott's Phases, as articulated in Charles' posts #1 & 11.

For myself, I think Prof Dale Scott's analysis is insightful and has a significant degree of historical corroboration.

Charles' questions exist primarily within this analytical framework.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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