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Breaking: Explosion Reported at Boston Marathon's Finish Line
#91
I am convinced that ICH was taken down because they put up the pics of those security operatives.However,I think they are not suspects in the bombing.I am much more interested in the others that have been pointed out.There were photos of a guy who had a pack,and then later no pack.The guy I posted with the blue shirt carrying a heavy pack.And especially the guys that Phil posted.I think the authorities know who they are looking for,and it's just a matter of finding them now.
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#92
Published on Thursday, April 18, 2013 by Common Dreams

Law Enforcement Set to Release Images of Bombing Suspects to Public


- Jon Queally, staff writer

[Image: bomb_site.jpg](Photo: John Tlumacki/Boston Globe)

This story will be updated as developments occur...


According to the Boston Globe, law-enforcement officials on Thursday intend to release images of two suspects they hope the general public can help identify in connection with Monday's bombing of the Boston Marathon.

The paper reports:
Authorities have clear video images of two separate suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings carrying black bags at each explosion site and are planning to release the images today in an appeal for the public's help in identifying the men, according to an official briefed on the case.

The official said that the two suspects were seen separately on videotape -- one at each of the two bombing sites, which are located about a block apart.


The official, who spoke this morning on the condition of anonymity, said the best video has come from surveillance cameras on the same side of Boylston Street as the explosions. The official said the widely reported Lord Taylor surveillance camera, and snapshots from individual cell phone camera users, have not provided the clearest images.


It was unclear why authorities did not publicize images of the unidentified suspects yesterday. President Obama is visiting Boston today, and the timing of a law enforcement briefing remained unclear.

A law-enforcement official who spoke to the New York Times said a final decision on whether to release the photos had not yet been made, but the person said it was "more likely than not" that they would.
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#93
Keith Millea Wrote:I am convinced that ICH was taken down because they put up the pics of those security operatives.However,I think they are not suspects in the bombing.I am much more interested in the others that have been pointed out.There were photos of a guy who had a pack,and then later no pack.The guy I posted with the blue shirt carrying a heavy pack.And especially the guys that Phil posted.I think the authorities know who they are looking for,and it's just a matter of finding them now.

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I'm inclined to agree Keith. The military types were either there as part of the exercise, or were there because some sort of trouble was expected. Until or unless the pics are published we won't know for sure, I guess.

I would also note that the Boston Globe report in your following post says that the authorities have clear videos of two suspects carrying black bags - whereas the guy above in the blue trainer top seems to be carrying a blue holdall type bag.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#94
David Guyatt Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Quote:For me, creating panic and fear would have been the probable objectives.

Other motives would be attacks on cultural symbols. Boston after all, and tea party are synonymous. The Boston marathon is a part of American culture. Eroding the faith in our way of life, our liberty, our freedom creates a vacuum that can be filled by darker faiths. Seig heil.

Aye. Like Blighty, your way of life is rapidly changing for the worse.

Liberty and freedom are long past. They went with 911 and were on the way out a couple of decades earlier than that.

Right-teee-ho. My brief post inadequately intended to use italics to communicate too much. Rephrasing: as illusory as the American way of life is, the desruction of that illusion requires a replacement. The Strategy of Tension (ver. C) targets American culture (Western culture?) with the purpose of replacing it with a version of neo-fascism.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#95
OKAY.These two men need to be excluded as suspects.I also think I'll edit out my post with their picture

The two Males that the media have claimed the FBI are looking for are local guys and appear to be innocent. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE ON THEM, ESPECIALLY LINKS TO NEWS SITES THAT IDENTIFIES THEM. (self.findbostonbombers)

submitted 12 hours ago* by oops777[M]

UPDATE: 10 hours after these guys were identified, the NY Post has ran a front page story with pictures of them, apparently unaware that they have been identified and have come forward.

This is what you call a witch hunt media, for god sake.

The two males we're talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.

Please report any posts regarding personal information on these two, they will be removed and the user will be permanently banned. All previous links to these two are being removed.


We are not waiting for them to be officially cleared, one of the men has contacted the police to try and clear his name. Please understand that the FBI now knows who they are, so our posts now have no purpose. If the situation changes then people can make new posts. It's not our job to keep their information out there, people are innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
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#96
Nopt sure I'm following - people are trying to say the two men I posted pictures of with military pants, black jackets, earpieces and BLACK BACKPACKS that seem to match the one found exploded on the street are to be considered as A-OK?! Those men?! Strangely, the FBI just announced they have ONE suspect and are asking people with information to come forward....based on what photo or information they didn't seem to say. Something strange is going on. Add to it the CNN and Post [?] reports that someone HAD been arrested - and they claimed, while admitting they were wrong, that their source was an unnamed security or intelligence person. This is not going like a 'normal' investigation would, I'm sorry. Yes, I understand the photos of innocent persons could be posted; but they could just as easily clear their name/face by coming forward. The Saudi man who was and then wasn't and then was again and then wasn't again, now AGAIN seems to be under suspicion...its hard to keep up with the changes. There seems to be nothing official - and that seems to be on purpose. When 'press conferences' are held, they release little to no information - only innuendo. In my post on the two men mentioned at the beginning of this rant I said they could be security men - but I didn't and still don't think so. Yet. Yes, Blue Trainer Man is suspicious, as is his pal he's talking to with another BLACK BACKPACK. We are looking at stills; the officials must have video showing the motions of these guys - which would tell a whole lot more. Further, they know who their own security people are and who is not. But if it were an inside job, Team A would be trying to fool Team B.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#97
Lauren Johnson Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Quote:For me, creating panic and fear would have been the probable objectives.

Other motives would be attacks on cultural symbols. Boston after all, and tea party are synonymous. The Boston marathon is a part of American culture. Eroding the faith in our way of life, our liberty, our freedom creates a vacuum that can be filled by darker faiths. Seig heil.

Aye. Like Blighty, your way of life is rapidly changing for the worse.

Liberty and freedom are long past. They went with 911 and were on the way out a couple of decades earlier than that.

Right-teee-ho. My brief post inadequately intended to use italics to communicate too much. Rephrasing: as illusory as the American way of life is, the desruction of that illusion requires a replacement. The Strategy of Tension (ver. C) targets American culture (Western culture?) with the purpose of replacing it with a version of neo-fascism.

Right-teee-ho? Dance

I like it.

And yep, completely agree.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#98
Keith Millea Wrote:OKAY.These two men need to be excluded as suspects.I also think I'll edit out my post with their picture

The two Males that the media have claimed the FBI are looking for are local guys and appear to be innocent. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE ON THEM, ESPECIALLY LINKS TO NEWS SITES THAT IDENTIFIES THEM. (self.findbostonbombers)

submitted 12 hours ago* by oops777[M]

UPDATE: 10 hours after these guys were identified, the NY Post has ran a front page story with pictures of them, apparently unaware that they have been identified and have come forward.

This is what you call a witch hunt media, for god sake.

The two males we're talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.

Please report any posts regarding personal information on these two, they will be removed and the user will be permanently banned. All previous links to these two are being removed.


We are not waiting for them to be officially cleared, one of the men has contacted the police to try and clear his name. Please understand that the FBI now knows who they are, so our posts now have no purpose. If the situation changes then people can make new posts. It's not our job to keep their information out there, people are innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around.

According to the comments section of foregoing the following:

Quote:alxrymnd914 205 points 13 hours agoBlue track suit guy's facebook info got out. I won't post it but this guy is not the bomber. His latest facebook post shows him freaking out that he is on tv as the bomber. He said he was going to court to say he didnt do it. Also, he works at a running store which gives further credit to the theory about him having nice running shoes and just being there to spectate.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#99
FBI to release in about an hour the photos of two men who they call 'persons of interest'; emphasizing that they have no knowledge that they were the bombers, but would like to 'talk' to them. They have already circulated the photos to all law enforcement, but will make them public shortly, asking the 'average citizen' to find them and notify the FBI. It sounds very strange - as has the investigation from the get go.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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The Boston Marathon bombing has provoked shock, grief and outrage from around the world. After decades of conditioning, the public automatically equates such terrorism with Muslim radicals. But the evidence shows that every major terror plot on American soil in the past 10 years has been fostered, funded and equipped by one organization: the FBI.

People around the world watched in horror this week as explosions rocked the finish line of the Boston Marathon, turning a day of sportsmanship and celebration into one of shock, grief and outrage. As with all such events, the desire to discover who was behind this cowardly act has driven many into a speculative frenzy. And, in a sad reminder of the indoctrination that the Western world has been under for over a decade now in the mythical "war of terror," it did not take long at all before the collective finger of the mob was pointed squarely in the direction of Muslim terrorists.

Within hours of the blast, fear spread throughout the international Muslim community that the bombing would be connected to an Islamist extremist. A Libyan Twitter user touched a nerveand received thousands of retweets and worldwide media coverageby tweeting "Please don't be a Muslim.'" The backlash began shortly thereafter, with the New York Post falsely implying that a Saudi national was being questioned for his possible role in the attack. The next day, a plane departing Boston Logan Airport returned to the gate and two passengers were forcibly removed because they had been overheard speaking Arabic before takeoff.

As data continues to pour in regarding the bombing and who may be behind it, it is instructive to take a moment to step back and consider this knee-jerk tendency to conclude that this is the work of Islamic radicals. In the minds of millions of Americans, bombs targeting innocents on US soil are inextricably linked with the image of the bearded, turban-wearing boogeyman that has become the shorthand for evil in this age of terror.

This association is not only incorrect, it is dangerously incorrect because it signally fails to identify the one unifying thread between all of the recent terror plots in the US. Lurking behind the shadowy armies of would-be jihadis in the popular imagination is the sober reality that every single major terror bust in the United States since 9/11 has sourced back to the same group, a single entity that has in every single case funded, equipped and even incited the would-be terrorists into action: the FBI.

In 2005, federal prosecutors charged Michael Reynolds, a 47 year old drifter living with his elderly mother, of attempting to wage jihad on the US by blowing up fuel facilities. In reality, his plan for jihad was little more than a series of conversations he had on a Yahoo! Chat room with a US judge posing as a militant. He was arrested after agreeing to meet with an FBI informant who had promised him $40,000 for his cause, and two months later the FBI quietly announced he was likely mentally ill. He was eventually convicted and is curently serving 25 years in jail.

In 2007 the so-called "Fort Dix Six" were nabbed in a much-hyped FBI terror bust after allegedly hatching a plan to attack a US military base and kill the soldiers there. At the time, a 26-page indictment revealed that the group had "no rigorous military training" and "did not appear close to being able to pull off an attack." The next year it was revealed that the FBI informant who had infiltrated the group had in fact offered to organize the members and lead the plot itself.

In 2009 the Newburgh Four were arrested for an alleged plot to blow up synagogues and shoot down military airplanes in Newburgh, New York. The group was a ragtag bunch of poor black men, at least one of whom was mentally unstable and stored his own urine in jars around his apartment. The group's fifth member, Shahad Hussein, turned out to be an FBI informant who had promised the members hundreds of thousands of dollars to carry out the plot. In sentencing the defendants, Federal Judge Colleen McMahon said:

"[The government] created acts of terrorism out of [the defendant's] fantasies of bravado and bigotry, and then made those fantasies come true. The government did not have to infiltrate and foil some nefarious plot there was no nefarious plot to foil."

In November 2010 the FBI busted the so-called Portland Christmas Tree Bomber, who was allegedly attempting to bomb the lighting ceremony at Portland's Pioneer Courthouse Square. "The threat was very real," the FBI intoned at the time. "Our investigation shows that Mohamud was absolutely committed to carrying out an attack on a very grand scale." The alleged bomber, Arthur Balizan, turned out to be a teenager who bragged to undercover agents that he could get a gun because he was a "rapper" and wrote an article on workout tips for jihadis.

In 2011 the FBI arrested a man that they themselves had supplied with a remote controlled plane and C4 explosives in a harebrained attempt to bomb the Pentagon. In 2012 they busted another would-be jihadi that they again had supplied with a fake gun and suicide vest. Also in 2012 the FBI busted a group of five "anarchists" who were allegedly going to bomb a bridge in the Cleveland area, although it was quietly admitted that the FBI informant who had infiltrated the group had in fact initiated the contact with them and been present at the meetings where they developed the plan to blow up the bridge.

One of the most ridiculous examples of this pattern dates back to 2006, when the DOJ attempted to make it seem as if they had just nabbed a group of dangerous jihadis who were preparing a full ground war against the United States.

The picture that is painted by these facts is as overwhelming as it is difficult for much of the public to comprehend. The conclusion, nevertheless, is incontrovertible: that without the FBI, many of the so-called "terrorist cells" that have been hatching their inept, bumbling schemes against the United States for decades might never have existed at all.

Despite what many would believe, this conclusion is not even controversial. Rather, it has been backed up time and again by evidence in the official record and multiply attested to by FBI insiders and whistleblowers themselves.

Given all of this damning history and insider whistleblowing, it is vital that the Western public break out of their media-induced programming and question the core assumptions of the war on terror paradigm that we have been programmed with for decades now. If there is to be speculation at all over events like these, and if there is any group that has to present a thoroughgoing case for why it is NOT responsible for this atrocity, surely it is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Having been at the heart of so many terror plots in the past, both the hilariously inept and the chillingly successful, how could the public refuse to even interrogate the organization that has the most to answer for?

The simple fact of the matter is that the history of the modern age of terrorism has proven time and again that the FBI is the prime suspect in any terrorist atrocity that takes place on American soil. Let us all keep this in mind as the details of the investigations into this (and all other) American terrorist incidents begins to emerge.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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