How the FBI got 3 shots right and hid it - cd298 thanks to Weisberg

[Tracy Riddle]

Quote: "The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'W[B]e are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'[/B]"

You know, I like Vince Salandria, but the MIC/CIA are not all-powerful and godlike. They don't always get their way - they usually do, but not always. Look how often they tried to do a preemptive nuclear strike against the USSR to achieve a final victory against Communism. It never happened. The reality of the vast federal behemoth is that it's made up of countless agencies and departments with different agendas - the NSA is even more secretive than the CIA, the ATF is involved in a lot more guns'n'drugs corruption; the FBI spends more time creating crime than investigating it. The CIA and Pentagon have so many employees it's just ridiculous, and most of them don't know what's going on in the office down the hall. I worked in the defense industry for years, and the compartmentalization is amazing; I only knew what my little group was working on. No one talked about what they were doing, and often you didn't know why you were doing it.

We can analyze the circumstantial evidence in this case and get a good picture of what happened. The reason they didn't poison JFK's food or cause his plane to crash or publicize his girlfriends was because they wanted it to look like a Castro/KGB-connected gunman had shot the President down in broad daylight. Those dirty commies. If things had gone right, people would have been screaming for revenge, like "Remember the Maine!"

[Magda Hassan]

"I'mafraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly. "All the critics,myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort micro-analyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy. Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was DealeyPlaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The coverstory was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'W[B]e are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'[/B] It[B] was a message tothe people that their government was powerless.[/B] And the people eventuallyg ot the message.

We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the
evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us
busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to
you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you
down."

Word.

[Magda Hassan]

Quote: "The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'W[B]e are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'[/B]"

You know, I like Vince Salandria, but the MIC/CIA are not all-powerful and godlike. They don't always get their way - they usually do, but not always.

They got their way on November 22nd 1963. With the exponential growth of the MIC since then it looks like they are still doing pretty well to me. Overall.

[Tracy Riddle]

Quote: "The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'W[B]e are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'[/B]"

You know, I like Vince Salandria, but the MIC/CIA are not all-powerful and godlike. They don't always get their way - they usually do, but not always.

They got their way on November 22nd 1963. With the exponential growth of the MIC since then it looks like they are still doing pretty well to me. Overall.

Not entirely. They wanted a war to reconquer Cuba and possibly nuke the USSR. They didn't get that. I think this is the key to understanding a lot of the mysteries surrounding the assassination.

[Dawn Meredith]

I think that model is extremely speculative, and involves a conspiracy so clever and sophisticated that none of the actual human beings who make up "The Powers That Be" could really hold something like that together.

I'm a conspiracy realist. I don't believe that the elites are really any smarter than the rest of us; in some cases, they aren't very bright or mentally stable at all. They just have a lot of money and power and connections. The conspiracies and cover-ups they construct are actually rather crude and don't stand up well under examination - but most people don't examine them, and that's the key. If 40% of the the public are watching Corporate Media, and another 40% doesn't watch any news at all, then no story is too ridiculous to sell people who've been brainwashed all their lives by television, Hollywood, consumer culture and advertising. Look how many official versions of JKF's wounds were given to the public between November 1963 and the publishing of the Warren Report. How many people even noticed that? Not many.

Without getting a long explanation as I am just taking a very quick work break I want to add two things. First of all, I have greatly enjoyed your posts Tracy. And welcome your presence at DPF.
However with regards to this case I adhere to the model.
Yes the assassination was crude and Vince Salandria nailed it in that paragraph. The sponsors set it up exactly that way. We don't know if they are bright or stable.
Becasue they are not names we know. (I'm sure many have speculated but they covered their tracks very well). It's the faciliators who have been discovered by the tireless work of many researchers doing the job the media whores refused.
And they HAVE "held it together". We are a minority, almost fifty years later.
Some of the wackjobs in the military wanted to nuke the USSR. But we have no evidence that the sponsors wished this. They got what they desired:
JFK killed, the Cold War and all the phony construct that this entailed, continued. No peace with either Russia or Cuba. Vietnam...and so on.
Best of all for THEM no president ever dared be his own man again. They were and are in control.
Dawn

[David Josephs]

http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html

I wonder - Tracy - if you've read this little book

There is no "upside" to removing the enemy in one fell swoop. And the SPONSORS know this...
There is no "upside" to removing the enemy at all. In fact, these SPONSORS you have so little faith in actually begin to restrict the "winning" side and increase support to the "losing" side to insure the continuity of the struggle which, in turn creates profits.

Why do humans war so often? Because other humans have figured out how profitable it is... Lose the profit margin on all war materials... and watch war disappear.

If so, then the fall of "communism" in Russia would have been the end of it. Instead we get the never ending war on Terrorism - completely unwinable, and virtually impossible to tell the bad guys from the good guys.
So tell us, since the fall of "Communism" where has the money been spent? What wars have been fought and over what?
Do you actually believe that we were in Afghanistan for ANYTHING other than the drug trade and military expenditures? Which sounds strangely familiar to Vietnam and Nicaragua.

Do you not see how US foreign policy is basically patriotic terrorism in the name of "freedom"
Do you really not see how the control of currency and ultimately foreign policy is the key to running and controlling a country, regardless of the elected or self-imposed leaders?

Your focus on CUBA and/or the USSR as the reason behind the killing is imo, very short-sighted.


This is about the ongoing control of entire populations... that you continue to think in the small terms of Cuba or Russia and that you actually believe there was serious consideration at this SPONSOR level of annnihilating millions upon millions of consumers and leave the world in shambles - does not strike me as a very smart tactic at all. There is no benefit to anyone in that scenario. and to the SPONSOR level, more money, more power and less chance of it ever ending is THE motivating force...

All I ask is that you see and truly grasp the CFR, its inception, its history and its purpose.... "None Dare" will help immensely. If you have read it and still feel the way you do... so be it.
But I would like your take on the book given everything else you've posted here.

DJ

The American people, since World War II, or
World War I, or the Spanish American War -- take your choice -- have witnessed
the tip of many criminal icebergs. The official investigations of the criminal
icebergs almost always stopped at the waterline. The other 90 percent of the
criminal icebergs were never hauled onto the beach for complete examination,
prosecution and correction.

The criminal cases of 1980 to the present
are in perfect harmony with this honored tradition. This is, of course, why
Americans are the most profoundly ignorant people on planet earth. The illusion
of knowledge is far worse than knowing you don't know.

-------------

"The American system is the most ingenious systemof control in world history. With a country so rich in natural resources,talent, and labor power the system can afford to distribute just enough to justenough people to limit discontent to a troublesome minority. It is a country sopowerful, so big, so pleasing to so many of its citizens that it can afford togive freedom of dissent to the small number who are not pleased. How wise toturn the fear and anger of the majority toward a class of criminals bred - byeconomic inequity - faster than they can be put away, deflecting attention fromthe huge thefts of national resources carried out within the law by men inexecutive offices."


Howard Zinn: A People's History of the UnitedStates

[Magda Hassan]

Not all wars are fought to be won. In fact for the most part the last thing they want to do is 'win' the war. The it is over. Every one goes home and peace breaks out. The real money is in simply waging war. Endless wars. Endless profits.

[Gordon Gray]

So these mythical diabolical genius Sponsors got together and hammered out this ingenious scenario where the president is assassinated in a way that says both "yeah, we did it and there's nothing you can do about it, so get with the program" but at the same time says, "No, we didn't do it, that Oswald guy, the agent of Castro did it, we got to invade Cuba and nuke the Soviets", and also "Nah it wasn't either, it was that Oswald guy a lone nut." That just doesn't sound like a coordinated plan to me, it sounds like the result of conflicting agendas and improvisations to salvage as much as possible, from a plot that didn't go according to any ones plan.

[Magda Hassan]

Actually, I think they don't care what we think. They do what they do for themselves.

[Tracy Riddle]

Dawn, why do you think the whole Mexico City incident was staged, with elaborate attempts to link Oswald to Castro and the KGB's assassination specialist? Why were all these Cuban exiles in Miami, New Orleans, and other assets of David Atlee Phillips ready to feed their "Oswald was seen with Castro agents" stories to chosen media assets? On another thread I mentioned that attack aircraft were being sent to hit Cuba, and bombers carrying nukes were sitting on the runways to hit preassigned targets in the USSR, but were called off at the last minute. If you read my thread on the Military-Industrial Complex, you'll see the mentality of the people JFK was dealing with. In fact, why was Oswald chosen as the patsy instead of some garden-variety lunatic escapee from an asylum?


David, yes I have read None Dare Call it Conspiracy. I'm not a fan of the John Birch Society. People read into the JFK assassination whatever they want to see, but I go where the evidence takes me. JFK was not killed by the Federal Reserve, or the Mossad, or the Illuminati, the CFR or whatever.

And yes, the warmongers will always find new enemies to justify military budgets and expansion, but the point of it all is expansion of empire to control resources, markets and populations. The USSR was just one obstacle in their way. Once they were gone, China would have been next. Then on to the Middle East, and so on.