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Sympathy for the Devil? No, Mick Sympathy for WeThePeople.
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[Quote from above]
'In the case of spiritual terror, it was applied to Jim Garrison, breaking his momentum in a fusillade of slander

In the case of physical terror, Hit List by Richard Belzer and David Wayne is replete with examples: Domingo Benevidez did not identify Oswald as Tippit's killer--until his lookalike brother was fatally shot in the head.

Waco displayed both: spiritual terror with the long build up of Federal forces and the deprivations and provocations towards the captives, then tanks rampant spraying flamable gas into kerosene lamp-lit spaces buttressed with bales of flammable hay.

In Dallas the Wanted poster, security stripping, obvious crossfire, ludicrous eliminatinon of the patsy--spiritual terror.

Physical terror: the president is publicly massacred in a murderous fussilade and a fluff panel of candy-asses calls it good.

No Communist will ever burn down the Reichstag again; we'll send it home.

The danger of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden is that they rip the sheep's clothing off the wolves of the security state:"
[End Quote]

Terror is as terror does.
Yep the point I took of the Shirer quote is that AHitler was not fully displaying his psychosis in the early days of his life.
He was vulnerable to manipulation.
So many try to blame military service for Hitler's slide into hate as a lens to view the world.
His reaction to "social democrats" as parasites born of the Slav "pollution" of the Nordic homeland with the "Jews" helping,
to me shows he was already on the road to insanity and hate before the German military mindbenders had direct contact with the man.

In that context of "pre-war" Munich and the interactions AHitler had with people, he wasn't that "different" from other people in Munich.
When he according to John Toland's work, was detained for suspicion of avoiding conscription into the "detested Austrian" Army by moving to Munich, his neighbors and the authorities held favorable opinions of him, writing letters to the Austrian authorities to grant him an extension of time to answer the questions.
He was not the only German to think democracy was too slow and ineffective. Nor to think the Reich was invaded by bloodlines inferior to the northern Germanic lines. Just radical maybe but not out of the mainstream thought yet in say 1912-13.

Those details of his pre-military life will come out later I hope.


If death had come to AHitler in the war another name would have sufficed.
There are always some kinds of people around operating without an internal moral compass.

Sometimes it seems AHitler's biography is a study in how to create a terrorist.
No Gitmo needed, no Abu Garieb either.

I'm a little side tracked by Belzer's Hit List, it is good to see someone continue the Penn Jones Jr. ideas.
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Jim
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#32
AHitler left Vienna for Munich Sunday, May 25[SUP]th[/SUP] 1913 by train. With his desire to be German not Austrian, it was inevitable that he liked what he found. Seeking lodging he found it at the Popp Tailor Shop advertised by a sign making known to passersby "Furnished rooms to let to respectable men". He got his room. When asked to provide registration card information by Frau Popp, he was "Adolf Hitler, Architectural painter from Vienna".


Respectable by appearance and demeanor maybe, but as noted the psychosis was already present and had been for a while. The hate and like things in the spirit of the man were already rotting the better angels of the man's nature. The man had already shed any semblance of an internal moral compass replacing it with one of hate and self-contempt. Already a fine fascist in training in 1913.
He seemingly had a little trouble supporting himself with his art, though it had been easier to peddle starving artist works in Vienna. In Munich, he had to peddle his wares door to door and in Beer halls.


From: Adolf Hitler, John Toland:
"Munich in 1913 with its 600,000 inhabitants was, after Paris, about the liveliest cultural center in Europe, and for some years had been attracting a breed of artists that Hitler himself found decadent: Paul Klee from Switzerland and refugees from the east like Kandinsky, Jawlensky and the Burlink brothers. … Despite his distaste for these Eastern refugees, Hitler himself was a bohemian and shared their need for freedom and tradition. …


The spirit of bohemianism, in which even the most outrageous and ridiculous theories of art and politics were welcome, had existed in Munich since before the turn of the century and had attracted unconventional souls from all over the world. Another political extremist had spent more than a year of his exile from Russia several blocks up Schleissheimerstrasse, at number 106, registered as Herr Meyer, his given name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov and in the underground he was known as Lenin. Here a dozen years earlier he had been writing tracts based on the theories of Marx."


[End Quote from: Adolf Hitler, John Toland]


AHitler left Vienna for Munich Sunday, May 25[SUP]th[/SUP] 1913 by train. With his desire to be German not Austrian, it was inevitable that he liked what he found. Seeking lodging he found it at the Popp Tailor Shop advertised by a sign making known to passersby "Furnished rooms to let to respectable men". He got his room. When asked to provide registration card information by Frau Popp, he was "Adolf Hitler, Architectural painter from Vienna".


Respectable by appearance and demeanor maybe, but as noted the psychosis was already present and had been for a while. The hate and like things in the spirit of the man were already rotting the better angels of the man's nature. The man had already shed any semblance of an internal moral compass replacing it with one guided of hate and self-contempt. Already a fine fascist in training in 1913.


He seemingly had a little trouble supporting himself with his art, though it had been easier to peddle starving artist works in Vienna. In Munich, he had to peddle his wares door to door and in Beer halls.


From: Adolf Hitler, John Toland:
"Munich in 1913 with its 600,000 inhabitants was, after Paris, about the liveliest cultural center in Europe, and for some years had been attracting a breed of artists that Hitler himself found decadent: Paul Klee from Switzerland and refugees from the east like Kandinsky, Jawlensky and the Burlink brothers. … Despite his distaste for these Eastern refugees, Hitler himself was a bohemian and shared their need for freedom and tradition. …


The spirit of bohemianism, in which even the most outrageous and ridiculous theories of art and politics were welcome, had existed in Munich since before the turn of the century and had attracted unconventional souls from all over the world. Another political extremist had spent more than a year of his exile from Russia several blocks up Schleissheimerstrasse, at number 106, registered as Herr Meyer, his given name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov and in the underground he was known as Lenin. Here a dozen years earlier he had been writing tracts based on the theories of Marx."
[End Quote from: Adolf Hitler, John Toland]


Sometimes much is made of AHitler's failure in Vienna as an artist. This failure has been presented as a turning point' in the descent into madness by the future master of western Europe. Excuses abound in his life if excuses are sought. I am not in the excuse business, though.
He adopted and adapted to the bohemian life style that provided the freedom of thought and allowed for eccentricities of personality.
There is a significant difference between the account of AHitler's alleged leaving Vienna for Munich in John Toland's biography and William Shirer's account of the same events.


Shirer posits AHitler as "probably" leaving Vienna to avoid conscription into the Austrian Army because of the racial mix of the Austrian empire.
Toland provides more details and his information doesn't support or deny the draft dodging issue.
On January 18[SUP]th[/SUP], 1914 at 3:30 pm the Munich police served notice to AHitler to report to Linz for induction into the Austrian Army on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP].


In 1910 while in Vienna he had requested permission to report for service and he had heard nothing in reply until this arrest and being taken under guard to the Austrian Consulate General's office the 19[SUP]th[/SUP]. Reportedly, the police officers were sympathetic. He was liable to prison and a fine if judged guilty of evasion of military service. The Consulate allowed AHitler to send a telegram to Linz to request an extension he did not secure.


He wrote a letter to Linz and the Consulate attached a note. He and the Munich police thought the young man was honest. The end result, was that AHitler reported to a closer location than Linz for examination. He traveled at the Consulate General's expense. On February 5[SUP]th[/SUP], he was found "unfit for combatant and auxiliary duty".
He was too weak.
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#33
This research is on-going.
A few side activities compete for time. R/C Sailplanes to fly.
A new bird to fledge for this season.

After a couple of weeks I'll get back to this important topic...
Next direction to include AWDulles and Ludendorff with the rise of the Freikorps.
good at y'all
Jim
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#34
War never changes. Versions change and places change. Motives change. But not war.
Like the chessboard opening, the pieces (resources and logistics) have to be put hither and yon. Memos of understanding have to be understood. 1914's war too had to be made ready for european carnage again.
A geopolitical starting line procedure of sorts, like a prestage stage go sequence in drag race terms.


From: Preparata's Conjuring Hitler beginning on p. 22


"Besieging Germany

In the summer of 1914, Germany stood behind Austria, Russia behind Serbia. British diplomacy could now entrap both: the ally and enemy alike.


On July6, Britain's Foreign Secretary, Lord Grey, informed the German ambassador that Russia was yet unprepared to intervene, and that Britain had no binding obligation vis-à-vis either Russia or France: a deliberate lie. 42

Two days later, the British Foreign Minister assured the Russians that, according to very reliable military sources', the Germans were rapidly conveying divisions to the East, and that the situation looked upon the Reich with disfavor: an even bigger lie. 43


All such deceiving signals issued by the Foreign Office in cross-directions behind closed doors were accompanied in Britain by a public show of phoney attempts at mediation in the name of peace, initiated with an eye to deceive the multitudes. 44 Britain had always been careful to spin the international tangle so as to drive the opponent in the position of the assailant, and reserve for herself the role of the peace-loving defender. This was a psychological artifice tailored for mass seduction, and the Germans had no knowledge or understanding of such tricks.

Austria issued the ultimatum to Serbia: a comprehensive injunction to annihilate any form of anti-Austrian propaganda in Serbia, and to open a formal investigation into the assassination, [Archduke Ferdinand] in which delegates of the Austrian empire were to partake. 45 Serbia accepted all points but the last one, which, in a theatrical diplomatic counter-move, she offered to submit to international arbitration at the international court of The Hague. Clearly, she had been instructed to turn down the ultimatum by her patrons, who had been waiting a long time for this moment: already on July 25, the British Treasury began printing special Notes, non-convertible into gold, marked for war expenses. 46



The war against Serbia into which Austria was deliberately incited by the ruinous intrigues of Serbia at the instigation of Russia was a trap into which Austria fell, not knowing it was fomented by Russia to create a pretext of general mobilization and war and to make Austria and Germany appear to the world as the willful originators of the great conflict. 47



The armies of Franz Josef prepared the attack against Serbia, Wilhelm was overjoyed heedless of the consequences. After one more round of perfunctory diplomatic waltzes between London, Berlin, Paris and St. Petersburg, Austria-Hungary went ahead and on July 28 bombarded Belgrade. The war had begun.


Russia, secretly goaded by France, who promised her support,48 mobilized along her western frontier, and the German generals obviously awaited the green light from the Kaiser to launch the Schlieffen offensive. Portales, the German ambassador in St. Petersburg, rushed to the foreign ministry, and asked its head, Saznaov, to halt the Russian mobilization. He implored three times. When the Russian minister refused for the last time, Portales hand him with trembling hand, Germany's declaration of war. It happened on August 1.

However, upon hearing the news of Russia's massing troops, Wilhelm somewhat broke out of his stupor and commiseratively brought himself to acknowledge the truth of the situation:



In this way the stupidity and clumsiness of our ally is turned into a noose. So the celebrated encirclement of Germany has finally become an accomplished fact. … The net has suddenly closed over our heads, and the purely anti-German policy which England has been scornfully pursuing all over the world has won the most spectacular victory which we have proved powerless to prevent while they, having got us despite our struggles all alone into the net through our loyalty to Austria, proceed to throttle our political and economic existence. A magnificent achievement which even those for whom it means disaster are bound to admire. 49



Indeed it was, and for such a disaster, the Germans had only themselves to blame.


At the outbreak of war, Rasputin brooded: No more stars in the sky … An ocean of tears … Our Motherland has never suffered a martyrdom as that which awaits us … Russia will drown in her own blood.' 50


In yet another sudden coup de theatre, as Germany prepared to unleash the onslaught on the Western Front, Britain issued one last cunning call for peace by informing the soon-to-be-warring parties that she was willing to guarantee her neutrality and provide assurances that France would not join the side of Russia in an eventual Russo-German conflict, provided Germany did not attack France. This last mischievous prank, which Wilhelm with diabolical perseverance, took for a British accolade to his eastern invasion, nearly caused the already shaken Chief of the German General Staff, Helmuth Von Moltke, to break down the German mobilization was complete; the armies had to push forth, he insisted.


Pressured by the general, the German government as a brash counter-bargain demanded no less than the acquisition of two French fortresses (Toul and Verdun) as security' for French neutrality. France naturally rejected the offer. On August 3, Germany declared war upon France. Staggering from one pitfall to another, Germany had turned herself into the world aggressor, Abel Ferry, the French Under-Secretary of State, wrote in his notebook" The web was spun and Germany entered it like a giant buzzing fly.' 51

Finally, as her turn came next, Britain came full circle: knowing that Moltke was ready to thrust Ludendorff's fusiliers through Belgium, the British government solemnly declared that it could not possibly tolerate the violation of Belgium's neutrality; it then professed its unconditional adherence to peace, and, shameless, assured the public that it had signed no secret compacts with France or Russia. 52


When the Schlieffen Plan was enacted and the Reich's armies crossed into Flanders, Britain sent Germany an ultimatum, which she knew the Reich would have ignored; but to avoid surprises (it expired at midnight) the British Cabinet exploited the time lag between London and Berlin, and shortened the waiting by an hour.


Sitting in silence round a large circular table covered with a neat green cloth, the ministers furtively eyed the big clock until it struck 11:00. Twenty minutes later Winston Churchill, the First Lord of the Admiralty, walked into the hall to inform his colleagues that a telegram had been dispatched across the empire summoning the Royal Fleet to begin operations. 53


And where did the summer of 1914 find Adolf Hitler? At 25, already a veteran of Viennese flophouses one amongst many bourgeois rates young Hitler joined, with a profound sense of deliverance and expectancy a Bavarian regiment with the rank of private. A man that enlists, said Pasternak, is not a happy man:



A few days[s] later I was wearing the tunic which I was not to doff until nearly six years later. For me as for every German, there now began the greatest and most unforgettable time of my early existence, Compared to the events of this gigantic struggle, everything past receded to shallow nothingness. 54



Hitler would fight on the Western Front and earn several decorations for bravery."


Notes:

42. Erusalimskij, Bismarck, p. 234.

43. Ibid., p. 235.

44. The philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote: 'I had noticed during the previous years how carefully Sir Edward Grey lied in order to prevent the public from knowing the methods by which he was committing us to the support of France in the event of war' (Fromkin, Peace, p. 125).

45. Tarle, Breve storia, p. 279.

46. Quigley, Tragedy, pp. 316-17.

47. Owen, Russian Imperial Conspiracy, p. 14

48. Erusalimskij, Bismarck, p. 269.

49. Balfour, The Kaiser, p. 351

50. Quoted in Geminello Alvi, Dell'estremo occidente. Il secolo americano in Europa. Storie economiche, (Firenze: Marco Nardi Editore, 1993), p. 75

51. Degrelle, Hitler, p. 86

52. Fromkin, Peace, p. 125.

53. Erusalimskij, Bismarck, pp. 255-56.

54. Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1971 [1924-26]) pp. 163-64


[End Quote from Conjuring Hitler]

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#35
I am looking into AWDulles and VILenin in the same rough time frame as AHitler above.
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#36
Jim

Adolf Hitler will fit right in, doing his part.

The authors of Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler indicate Allen W. Dulles and brother John Foster agreed to the plan involving a sliding concrete panel, a tunnel to the underground, a flight to Denmark, a U-Boat to South America, a tri-engine to Argentina, and a life with Eva until February 13, 1962, leaving two sons.

We find Dean Acheson omitting Korea from the U.S. defense perimeter resulting in the June 1950 invasion. Forty years hence April Glaspie's assurance to Saddam Hussein that Kuwait was a regional matter led to the August invasion.

Tonkin Gulf to the Twin Towers, war requires a pretext.

On to Syria--but first, expect trumpets and the telescreen to announce the next outrage.
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Phil Dragoo Wrote:On to Syria--but first, expect trumpets and the telescreen to announce the next outrage.
All those useful chemical weapons keep being found in the hands of the FSA....Damn.
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#38
I am glad be here.
I am quite grateful for all encouragement and suggestions.

Grey Wolf I have barely opened, but this Dulles Brothers and Dean Acheson matter is significant.
Thanks Phil...

As for Syria, MSM spouts: they got the missing WMDs from Iraq, so we can feel better about the Iraq faisco, right?

CIA has the receipts for the chemical weapons we sold Iraq.

And the "coalition of the willing" S.O.G. folks were caught trying to import WMDs from Syria to Iraq in secret. Or maybe also from Jordan? Circa 2004. Another CYA thing that failed.

MSM says .... sound of embedded crickets in the night.

Any old port in a black op....

The privatized weapon trades people (salesmen) are loving it. War never changes.
Jim
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#39
The Grey Wolf-detailed meme may be to Hitler survival studies may be what the Grassy Knoll shot is to JFK assassination studies.

In Ratline: Soviet Spies, Nazi Priests, and the Disappearance of Adolf Hitler, Peter Levenda gives us a "South Knoll"-like alternative.

Highly recommended, and for numerous reasons.
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Charles Drago Wrote:The Grey Wolf-detailed meme may be to Hitler survival studies may be what the Grassy Knoll shot is to JFK assassination studies.

In Ratline: Soviet Spies, Nazi Priests, and the Disappearance of Adolf Hitler, Peter Levenda gives us a "South Knoll"-like alternative.

Highly recommended, and for numerous reasons.

Nicely done.
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