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My new book, "Into the Nightmare"
Mr. McBrides interviews at Black Op Radio are top notch.

The info on Tippit is fascinating. Really makes you wish you could access phone records from 1963 to see who JD was calling from the Top Ten Record shop just minutes before his life ended.

The fact that he was a crack shot with a gun also raises some very interesting possibilities.
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Steve Minnerly;73743

The fact that [Tippit Wrote:
was a crack shot with a gun also raises some very interesting possibilities.


"Crack shot" my derriere!

Apply the analytical skills of deep politics:

For me and others, all that this raises is a not the possibility, but rather the likelihood that Mr. McBride is a deep politics naif.

On at least four occasions I presented the following argument to him:

First, I acknowledged the following:

On page 277 of ITN, McBride writes:

"One of the most important pieces of information I gleaned from my interview with Edgar Lee Tippit had to do with J.D.'s shooting prowess. A story his father told me indicated that J.D. possessed, from an early age, an uncanny skill with firearms ... 'He loved to hunt,' recalled [J.D.'s] neighbor and future brother-in-law Jack Christopher. Tippit's father said of J.D., 'He was a good shot,' and that once when J.D. was young, they saw 'a hawk way off sitting on a treetop. J. D. told me, "Get your gun, and I'll kill the hawk." I said, "You can't." He did do it. He killed the hawk with the first shot, at least a hundred yards [away].'"

On page 568 of ITN, McBride writes:

"The shot from behind the retaining wall in relatively close proximity to President Kennedy may not have been a particularly difficult one, but hitting its target was crucial to the success of the plot. The accuracy of that shot that most likely was the one that blew out the back of Kennedy's head attests to the lethal expertise of the gunman who fired it. J. D. Tippit's unusual skill with firearms, from boyhood, was attested to by his father, and it was furthered in his U. S. Army service during World War II and his years with the Dallas Police Department. That expertise could help account for why he may have been chosen for the job of Badge Man [.]"

Then I noted:

Here is a splendid case-in-point in which the application of a refined and encompassing conspiracy model informed by not just the facts of the assassination as we know them, but also by a broad and deep understanding of deep political systems and methodologies, can lead us to valuable insight.

Has your research uncovered evidence of Tippit possessing world-class marksmanship skills of the sort associated with snipers firing at moving targets while operating as part of a military style, two- or three-person team?

Do you equate the skills required to hit a stationary target under optimum, non-threatening conditions with the skills required to kill a president in a public arena?

Do you, Mr. McBride?

Here's why I ask: I'm not alone in having concluded that the conspirators (at the Sponsor and Facilitator levels, at least) understood that, once initiated, the attack on JFK had to succeed if their own security and that of the institutions they represented were to be preserved.

Accordingly, only the most accomplished snipers in the world would have been entrusted with the assignment of fatally wounding the president.

If it can be documented that Tippit possessed such rare skills, then you are on to something.

If not, then Tippit-as-Badge-Man either was shooting blanks (perhaps as a diversionary tactic) or was servicing an as yet poorly understood aspect of the ambush.

To put it another way: Absent proof of Tippit's sniping prowess under the most adverse conditions imaginable, identifying him as one of the JFK shooters is as foolhardy as naming the likes of Johnny Roselli, Charles Nicoletti, James Files, and Lee Harvey Oswald.


Mr. McBride to date has refused to respond in anything approaching a substantive manner.

Accordingly, I am left with no choice but to dismiss Mr. McBride's work in terms that, as a film historian, he would understand:

Into the Nightmare is perfectly suited for CinemaScope, where a story's width is far more important than its depth.


Which is to say: In my informed opinion, Into the Nightmare is a cowardly and shameful book. A charade. A sham.

Draw your own conclusions.
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum

If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless.  All you can do is control them or eliminate them.  Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
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Steve Minnerly Wrote:Mr. McBrides interviews at Black Op Radio are top notch.

The info on Tippit is fascinating. Really makes you wish you could access phone records from 1963 to see who JD was calling from the Top Ten Record shop just minutes before his life ended.

The fact that he was a crack shot with a gun also raises some very interesting possibilities.

Steve - please read the thread and Joseph McBride's book carefully.

To my mind, the evidence presented does not establish that Tippit was a good enough marksman to have been entrusted by the Facilitators with a shooting part in the assassination of an American President.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Steve Minnerly Wrote:Mr. McBrides interviews at Black Op Radio are top notch.

The info on Tippit is fascinating. Really makes you wish you could access phone records from 1963 to see who JD was calling from the Top Ten Record shop just minutes before his life ended.

The fact that he was a crack shot with a gun also raises some very interesting possibilities.

Steve - please read the thread and Joseph McBride's book carefully.

To my mind, the evidence presented does not establish that Tippit was a good enough marksman to have been entrusted by the Facilitators with a shooting part in the assassination of an American President.

Additionally we all take issue at this point with the entire Badge Man concept, given its origin together with trying to "see" what you want to "see" in the many fuzzy photographs.
That said, a disagreement with an author on one matter does not mean we begin an attack on said author, or that on balance the book does not offer a great amount of valuable contributions.
I wish Tosh would weigh in how how good a shot Tippit was. Another question I can't ask Jay Harrison who knew Tippit well and could tell us what kind of shot he was.
I am also not convinced that the killers would risk having a Dallas cop be a shooter. There are MANY hired guns who could have served this purpose.

Dawn
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Steve Minnerly Wrote:Mr. McBrides interviews at Black Op Radio are top notch.

The info on Tippit is fascinating. Really makes you wish you could access phone records from 1963 to see who JD was calling from the Top Ten Record shop just minutes before his life ended.

The fact that he was a crack shot with a gun also raises some very interesting possibilities.

Steve - please read the thread and Joseph McBride's book carefully.

To my mind, the evidence presented does not establish that Tippit was a good enough marksman to have been entrusted by the Facilitators with a shooting part in the assassination of an American President.

Wow I'm really sorry if i am wrong about Tippit being a good shot. But i just listened to Mr McBrides interview about his new book on Black Op radio yesterday and Im almost sure he stated that when he interviewed Tippits father he specifically said that his son was an excellent shot.

But i make no claims about being infallible. Maybe I didn't understand the interview properly. My sincere apologies if i am wrong.
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Dawn

I didn't mean to say that Badge man is a proven fact. I am totally on the fence about that and not convinced either way. Once again i apologize. You guys are way more professional and qualified than me and nobody should consider me the voice of authority.

Im just a guy that became really interested in the jfk assassination 28 years ago.
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I wrote previously -

Wow I'm really sorry if i am wrong about Tippit being a good shot. But i just listened to Mr McBrides interview about his new book on Black Op radio yesterday and Im almost sure he stated that when he interviewed Tippits father he specifically said that his son was an excellent shot.

But i make no claims about being infallible. Maybe I didn't understand the interview properly. My sincere apologies if i am wrong.
______________________________________________

I just rechecked the the 8/8/2013 interview with Mr. McBride over at Black Op Radio and at approximately the 56:50 mark he does say that Tippits father said his son was a "great" shot.

I make no other claims about Badge man or Tippit being one of the shooters.
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Steve Minnerly Wrote:Dawn

I didn't mean to say that Badge man is a proven fact. I am totally on the fence about that and not convinced either way. Once again i apologize. You guys are way more professional and qualified than me and nobody should consider me the voice of authority.

Im just a guy that became really interested in the jfk assassination 28 years ago.

I wish there were a lot more like you Steve who had a serous interest in this event.

Dawn
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Steve Minnerly Wrote:I wrote previously -

Wow I'm really sorry if i am wrong about Tippit being a good shot. But i just listened to Mr McBrides interview about his new book on Black Op radio yesterday and Im almost sure he stated that when he interviewed Tippits father he specifically said that his son was an excellent shot.

But i make no claims about being infallible. Maybe I didn't understand the interview properly. My sincere apologies if i am wrong.
______________________________________________

I just rechecked the the 8/8/2013 interview with Mr. McBride over at Black Op Radio and at approximately the 56:50 mark he does say that Tippits father said his son was a "great" shot.

I make no other claims about Badge man or Tippit being one of the shooters.

Steve, I don't think Jan was questioning the accuracy of your memory so much as the evidence adduced in the book to support his claim. I have still to read this book. I'm sure it contains a lot of interesting and valuable information. As Dawn said, an author is rarely correct about even 75% of the assertions made. In this case, it is impossible to have that level of certainty.
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Albert Rossi Wrote:
Steve Minnerly Wrote:I wrote previously -

Wow I'm really sorry if i am wrong about Tippit being a good shot. But i just listened to Mr McBrides interview about his new book on Black Op radio yesterday and Im almost sure he stated that when he interviewed Tippits father he specifically said that his son was an excellent shot.

But i make no claims about being infallible. Maybe I didn't understand the interview properly. My sincere apologies if i am wrong.
______________________________________________

I just rechecked the the 8/8/2013 interview with Mr. McBride over at Black Op Radio and at approximately the 56:50 mark he does say that Tippits father said his son was a "great" shot.

I make no other claims about Badge man or Tippit being one of the shooters.

Steve, I don't think Jan was questioning the accuracy of your memory so much as the evidence adduced in the book to support his claim. I have still to read this book. I'm sure it contains a lot of interesting and valuable information. As Dawn said, an author is rarely correct about even 75% of the assertions made. In this case, it is impossible to have that level of certainty.

Steve, I'm certain that you took from the interview exactly what the author wanted you to take. As a result, and through no fault of your own, you tacitly endorsed an indefensible and even ludicrous position uninformed by sophisticated deep political analysis.

Again, you bear no responsibility in this matter -- which I hope you will appreciate and utilize as a valuable learning experience.

Stay with us.
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum

If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless.  All you can do is control them or eliminate them.  Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
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