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Peter Lemkin Wrote:This is either folly of a near criminal kind - or disinformation.
What you refer to as "folly," may be ascribed by some to a naturally occurring neurological and/or psychological impairment -- a cognitive color blindness, so to speak, that puts those of us attempting to teach deep politics to Orling in the position of someone attempting to explain pink or oxblood to a person who can see only red.
I kid you not.
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Tony Szamboti Wrote:I think what you should say is that some don't accept that any part of the collapse was natural. However, it is likely that while much of the destruction, after the initiation and first several floors, could have been due to gravity, the corners of the perimeters were very likely separated with some form of charges. You have not accepted this in the past but had no real argument against it and there is clear evidence of it with focused ejections running down the corner in close proximity. The corners would need to be artificially separated as they were stiff and could easily have slowed or stalled a collapse.
The reality may be that the collapse needed less help after it had progressed past the first several floors which were surely instigated artificially, since it is provable that there was no column involvement in resisting it.
The corners were no stiffer ie... the connections than were the sides.. all were the same.
I have not accepted that there was any destruction of the corners.. which would have had to occur every two stories. No evidence of that whatsoever.
The corners were no different and material was pushed out the window/openings... weaker than the columns... just like the side.
You are making stuff up and that won't fly.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:This is either folly of a near criminal kind - or disinformation.
Rubbish... it's not dis info... it's my opinion based on my research. Stop with you usual ad homs... and *facts* made up out of whole cloth.
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Jeffrey, you obviously have not found a cooperative audience here. In fact, you encounter opposition with your every opinion.
Why are you still here? Your message certainly isn't being received. Are you headstrong? Having fun antagonizing the natives? What?
Given your persistence is it truly a surprise to you that many think you are here on the clock?
If not, then surely you have better things to do, yes?
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Kevin Hall Wrote:Jeffrey, you obviously have not found a cooperative audience here. In fact, you encounter opposition with your every opinion.
Why are you still here? Your message certainly isn't being received. Are you headstrong? Having fun antagonizing the natives? What?
Given your persistence is it truly a surprise to you that many think you are here on the clock?
If not, then surely you have better things to do, yes?
I explained in the past so I won't repeat how I cam to this forum. I get email notifications to the thread I comment and and when I see bullsh*t.. my BS meter alerts me and I feel compelled to call BS when I see it.. Wouldn't you?
Do you think it matters to me that this forum is populated by people who are essentially clueless about the technical issues of structure and physics and so forth and simply parrot BS they read somewhere else? And things they can't explain or defend... but they sure can repeat...
I was laboring under the assumption that intelligent people are open minded and actually can think independently and do their own research at times... or at least hold back opinions about matters they are unqualified in... and I am not referring to degrees and licenses and so forth... but qualified by the breath and depth of the understanding of the subject matter being discussed. Asking questions often is at the level of a child... or it could be a more sophisticated question too.
The only person I've observed with any amount of inquisitiveness is Lauren... The rest seems to be towing a common set of beliefs and accusing ME of being an agent...even paid to spread disinformation. That is so preposterous it should be embarrassing.
You can bring a horse to water but you can't make her think.
This can be a waste of time... I agree.
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As with the Kennedy assassination and the argument over the authenticity of the Zapruder film, we should all try to avoid staking out inflexible positions and then calling people who disagree with us disinformation agents. IMO.
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Jeffrey, are you a disinformation agent? I have no idea if you are, but your actions here do arouse my curiosity.
Looking at it from your point of view, what does it really matter if the forum is nothing but BS published by know-nothings with closed minds?
Why contest it, what benefit is there to be gained if that is your belief? Most would put it in the rearview mirror and not look back.
Can you at least see how this might look suspicious?
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Quote:The only person I've observed with any amount of inquisitiveness is Lauren...
Jeffrey, my inquisitiveness comes from my 4 semesters of college calculus, 4 semesters of college physics, and I had started into the upper division of chemistry when I decided to switch majors to philosophy. Non of that is enough to even pretend to think like a structural engineer. But as I read your explanations, looked at your diagrams and sketches and read Tony's work side-by-side, I have become convinced that your work is deeply flawed. CD is still the best explanation.
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Quote:The only person I've observed with any amount of inquisitiveness is Lauren...
Jeffrey, my inquisitiveness comes from my 4 semesters of college calculus, 4 semesters of college physics, and I had started into the upper division of chemistry when I decided to switch majors to philosophy. Non of that is enough to even pretend to think like a structural engineer. But as I read your explanations, looked at your diagrams and sketches and read Tony's work side-by-side, I have become convinced that your work is deeply flawed. CD is still the best explanation.
deeply flawed?
What are the flaws in my diagrams? I'd like to correct them...
You do realize that Tony's papers have been roundly criticized... or in the common parlance debunked by all sorts of physicists and engineers... I posted links... Did you find the critiques deeply flawed too? What were their flaws?
I am sure they would like to correct their mistakes as well.
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Kevin Hall Wrote:Jeffrey, are you a disinformation agent? I have no idea if you are, but your actions here do arouse my curiosity.
Looking at it from your point of view, what does it really matter if the forum is nothing but BS published by know-nothings with closed minds?
Why contest it, what benefit is there to be gained if that is your belief? Most would put it in the rearview mirror and not look back.
Can you at least see how this might look suspicious?
You don't know the history of my being on this board.... go to the bear pit and read the thread... Where did the towers go... and then you might understand.
If I had something better to do I wouldn't natter on the nets...
