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David Josephs Wrote:Marlene,
Now I have to thank you for this (a source would be appreciated) as it further shows how the TWO RECORDS were combined into one...
HARVEY here does not say anything about BILOXI until the very end and provides no dates. Allen FELDE who was with HARVEY during this time (CE1961, 1962 has the USMC recap followed by FELDE telling us where he was... which matches the letter below... they did NOT go to Biloxi together...) LEE was in Biloxi... [TABLE="width: 531"]
[TR]
[TD]After graduating from Aviation Fundamentals School, Lee Oswald and five other Marines-Edward J. Bandoni, James M. Brereton, Donald P. Camarata, Daniel P. Powers, and Martin E. Schrand-left Florida for Biloxi MI[/TD]
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[/TABLE]
LEE is in Japan in late '57 while HARVEY is in NOLA at Pfisterer's and living at 210 Dauphine (Senator Hotel) with short fat MO.
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Marlene Zenker Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:As I am doing quite a bit of work on H&L and the different reasons/evidence that continues to be "realized" I'd like to add this...
The LETTERS written by HARVEY in the Russian language all appear perfect... no spelling errors, correct grammar, etc...
Whereas the letters written in ENGLISH to his "mother" are chock filled with errors... and the same ones over and over...
double "L's" are virtually consistent in words like "allready"... misspellings for "recieve" without a first "e"...
Food for thought... LEE seems to have written in CAPITAL BLOCK LETTERS while
Harvey wrote in script...
Starting with the Volume 16.. CE1 one can find most of this correspondance
DJ
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David, thank you and forgive me - I must have been half asleep when I posted this.
I posted it to show Harvey's recollection of his USMC service and also that it was written in script. I found this at the City of Dallas City Secretary's Office website
http://www.ci.dallas.tx.us/cso/exhibits/...s_JFK.html
The direct link to the above letter is http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0122-001.gif
I have only been through Box 1 and a bit of Box 2, there are 20 boxes...
Marlene
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Marlene Zenker Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:Marlene,
Now I have to thank you for this (a source would be appreciated) as it further shows how the TWO RECORDS were combined into one...
HARVEY here does not say anything about BILOXI until the very end and provides no dates. Allen FELDE who was with HARVEY during this time (CE1961, 1962 has the USMC recap followed by FELDE telling us where he was... which matches the letter below... they did NOT go to Biloxi together...) LEE was in Biloxi... [TABLE="width: 531"]
[TR]
[TD]After graduating from Aviation Fundamentals School, Lee Oswald and five other Marines-Edward J. Bandoni, James M. Brereton, Donald P. Camarata, Daniel P. Powers, and Martin E. Schrand-left Florida for Biloxi MI
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
LEE is in Japan in late '57 while HARVEY is in NOLA at Pfisterer's and living at 210 Dauphine (Senator Hotel) with short fat MO.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5414[/ATTACH]
Marlene Zenker Wrote:[quote=David Josephs]As I am doing quite a bit of work on H&L and the different reasons/evidence that continues to be "realized" I'd like to add this...
The LETTERS written by HARVEY in the Russian language all appear perfect... no spelling errors, correct grammar, etc...
Whereas the letters written in ENGLISH to his "mother" are chock filled with errors... and the same ones over and over...
double "L's" are virtually consistent in words like "allready"... misspellings for "recieve" without a first "e"...
Food for thought... LEE seems to have written in CAPITAL BLOCK LETTERS while
Harvey wrote in script...
Starting with the Volume 16.. CE1 one can find most of this correspondance
DJ
David, thank you and forgive me - I must have been half asleep when I posted this.
I posted it to show Harvey's recollection of his USMC service and also that it was written in script. I found this at the City of Dallas City Secretary's Office website
http://www.ci.dallas.tx.us/cso/exhibits/...s_JFK.html
The direct link to the above letter is http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0122-001.gif
I have only been through Box 1 and a bit of Box 2, there are 20 boxes...
Marlene
Thanks Marlene - yet as you can see there is no reference to FOLDER 5 or File #18 in the name of the gif.... if you can add that to your references it would help finding it.
18. Personal Oswald, by an unknown author. Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing various activities, ( Photocopy), 11/23/63. 10 pages 00000122 01 05 018 0122-001.gif 0122-002.gif 0122-003.gif 0122-004.gif 0122-005.gif 0122-006.gif 0122-007.gif 0122-008.gif 0122-009.gif 0122-010.gif
I put this entire database in excel so it is searchable.... this resource has been invaluable to me in finding the original and handwritten statements to compare to the final FBI reports of same.
I still think there is something strange about the staight lines and penmenship of the script versus the childish scribbles of the block letters - that they are on the same document.. and they are ALL PHOTOCOPIES means it is most likely and very possible that the FBI cut and pasted together some of these notes and then PHOTOCOPIED THEM.
What remains are errors in the ENGLISH letters and no error in the Russian letters... The English errors are repeated as well, as if it was leanred that way...
---------------
The lack of ORIGINAL MATERIALS coming from the FBI, when the originals were initially acquired, is sinister and allows the FBI to create whatever END PRODUCT they like and call in "Oswald original"
CE1961 and 1962 Marlene... You gonna believe the man who was there or your Dept of Defense :-).... just ask Palmer McBride, or Nelson Delgado
the same docs are also here:
Box 2
Folder 5
Personal Oswald, by Lee Harvey Oswald. Handwritten
notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities, (Photocopy), date unknown.
00000505 10 pages 02 05 001 0505-001.gif 0505-002.gif 0505-003.gif 0505-004.gif 0505-005.gif 0505-006.gif 0505-007.gif 0505-008.gif 0505-009.gif 0505-010.gif
and here:
127. Personal - Oswald, by Lee Harvey Oswald. Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities, (Photocopy Poor Quality), date unknown. 00002986 10 pages 15 01 127 2986-001.gif 2986-002.gif 2986-003.gif 2986-004.gif 2986-005.gif 2986-006.gif 2986-007.gif 2986-008.gif 2986-009.gif 2986-010.gif
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ps...
Of all these boxes and files there are 1275 listed as "ORIGINAL" and of those only 303 "ORIGINAL SIGNED"
The repeats are staggering throughout the entire database. and many things are hidden within file headings that have no relation to the item desired....
If you would start a thread about what you find as you search (I've been thru the database a number of times) and any question raised I think it would make for a great study of the Dallas evidence
as we know it.
The great thing is we also have the original inventory notes that repeatedly say, for example, that a MINOX CAMERA was delivered to the FBI and not a light meter...
or that there were 4 wallets in total...
Enjoy the search, some gems in there.
DJ
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David Josephs Wrote:ps...
Of all these boxes and files there are 1275 listed as "ORIGINAL" and of those only 303 "ORIGINAL SIGNED"
The repeats are staggering throughout the entire database. and many things are hidden within file headings that have no relation to the item desired....
If you would start a thread about what you find as you search (I've been thru the database a number of times) and any question raised I think it would make for a great study of the Dallas evidence
as we know it.
The great thing is we also have the original inventory notes that repeatedly say, for example, that a MINOX CAMERA was delivered to the FBI and not a light meter...
or that there were 4 wallets in total...
Enjoy the search, some gems in there.
DJ
David, I will indeed post anything I find that strikes me as odd - but not being the super researcher that you and others are may mean that I will miss a lot. I have downloaded every image from Box 1 and some from Box 2 and will continue to do so until I have every one. Can you tell me whether these boxes are the evidence released by the current administration in Dallas or has this been available for some time? Whatever happened to the other things that they found in the last few years including the supposed movie script, if you know?
Thanks...
PS. I will create zip files of each box and post them somewhere for everyone to download as we should have multiple copies everywhere and also it is very time consuming to select each one, enlarge it and save it to my computer. I would not want anyone else to have to do that!
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Marlene Zenker Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:ps...
Of all these boxes and files there are 1275 listed as "ORIGINAL" and of those only 303 "ORIGINAL SIGNED"
The repeats are staggering throughout the entire database. and many things are hidden within file headings that have no relation to the item desired....
If you would start a thread about what you find as you search (I've been thru the database a number of times) and any question raised I think it would make for a great study of the Dallas evidence
as we know it.
The great thing is we also have the original inventory notes that repeatedly say, for example, that a MINOX CAMERA was delivered to the FBI and not a light meter...
or that there were 4 wallets in total...
Enjoy the search, some gems in there.
DJ
David, I will indeed post anything I find that strikes me as odd - but not being the super researcher that you and others are may mean that I will miss a lot. I have downloaded every image from Box 1 and some from Box 2 and will continue to do so until I have every one. Can you tell me whether these boxes are the evidence released by the current administration in Dallas or has this been available for some time? Whatever happened to the other things that they found in the last few years including the supposed movie script, if you know?
Thanks...
PS. I will create zip files of each box and post them somewhere for everyone to download as we should have multiple copies everywhere and also it is very time consuming to select each one, enlarge it and save it to my computer. I would not want anyone else to have to do that!
Wow... I have downloaded quite a few files myself, but ALL of them? You will find there are MANY duplicates... ie just these handwritten notes would be 40 files of the same 10 things....
It appears they stopped putting things in there around 1977... (HSCA ??) I preferred to focus on the documents from 11/22-11/24....
So for example... Gladys Shastid's 5 docs are really only 1 with 4 bad copies, and the original is not even "original" or a photo of the original, but a COPY of the signed original...
The INDEX is also not perfect... there are docs listed as 1992 yet are from 1963.... seems to me that none of the very new things are kept there. There is no mention of a "movie script" in the index for example.
DJ
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[TD] DOC_TYPE
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[TD] DOC_DATE
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[TD] PRIMAUTH
[/TD]
[TD] QUALITY
[/TD]
[TD] http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD] 03
[/TD]
[TD] 18
[/TD]
[TD] 001
[/TD]
[TD] Affidavit In Any Fact-typed
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] Gladys Shastid
[/TD]
[TD] Original Signed
[/TD]
[TD] Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 03
[/TD]
[TD] 18
[/TD]
[TD] 002
[/TD]
[TD] Affidavit In Any Fact-typed
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] Gladys Shastid
[/TD]
[TD] Carbon Copy Signed
[/TD]
[TD] Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 03
[/TD]
[TD] 18
[/TD]
[TD] 003
[/TD]
[TD] Affidavit In Any Fact-typed
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] Gladys Shastid
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[TD] Carbon Copy Signed
[/TD]
[TD] Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy
[/TD]
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[TD] 03
[/TD]
[TD] 18
[/TD]
[TD] 004
[/TD]
[TD] Affidavit In Any Fact-typed
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] Gladys Shastid
[/TD]
[TD] Carbon Copy Signed
[/TD]
[TD] Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 03
[/TD]
[TD] 18
[/TD]
[TD] 005
[/TD]
[TD] Affidavit In Any Fact-typed
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] Gladys Shastid
[/TD]
[TD] Carbon Copy Signed
[/TD]
[TD] Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy
[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 5
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[TD] Gladys Shastid Count
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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I even missed this other box with 34 pages as opposed to the 10 in each of the other locations: and come to find that while the first 4 items are the same, the 34 itrems come from a different sitting entirely...
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[TR]
[TD] BOX
[/TD]
[TD] FOLDER
[/TD]
[TD] ITEM
[/TD]
[TD] DOC_TYPE
[/TD]
[TD] DOC_DATE
[/TD]
[TD] PRIMAUTH
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[TD] QUALITY
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[TD] PAGES
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[TD] 01
[/TD]
[TD] 05
[/TD]
[TD] 018
[/TD]
[TD] Personal - Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] 11/23/63
[/TD]
[TD] an unknown author
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopy
[/TD]
[TD] Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing various activities
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 02
[/TD]
[TD] 05
[/TD]
[TD] 001
[/TD]
[TD] Personal - Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] date unknown
[/TD]
[TD] Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopy
[/TD]
[TD] Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 15
[/TD]
[TD] 01
[/TD]
[TD] 127
[/TD]
[TD] Personal - Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] date unknown
[/TD]
[TD] Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopy Poor Quality
[/TD]
[TD] Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 15
[/TD]
[TD] 01
[/TD]
[TD] 130
[/TD]
[TD] Personal - Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] date unknown
[/TD]
[TD] Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopy Poor Quality
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopies of handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 15
[/TD]
[TD] 02
[/TD]
[TD] 001
[/TD]
[TD] Personal - Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] date unknown
[/TD]
[TD] Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopy Poor Quality
[/TD]
[TD] Photocopies of handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 34
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
and you will still not find a copy of ANY LETTER TO OSWALD from his brother or "mother"...
DJ
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David Josephs Wrote:Marlene Zenker Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:ps...
Of all these boxes and files there are 1275 listed as "ORIGINAL" and of those only 303 "ORIGINAL SIGNED"
The repeats are staggering throughout the entire database. and many things are hidden within file headings that have no relation to the item desired....
If you would start a thread about what you find as you search (I've been thru the database a number of times) and any question raised I think it would make for a great study of the Dallas evidence
as we know it.
The great thing is we also have the original inventory notes that repeatedly say, for example, that a MINOX CAMERA was delivered to the FBI and not a light meter...
or that there were 4 wallets in total...
Enjoy the search, some gems in there.
DJ
David, I will indeed post anything I find that strikes me as odd - but not being the super researcher that you and others are may mean that I will miss a lot. I have downloaded every image from Box 1 and some from Box 2 and will continue to do so until I have every one. Can you tell me whether these boxes are the evidence released by the current administration in Dallas or has this been available for some time? Whatever happened to the other things that they found in the last few years including the supposed movie script, if you know?
Thanks...
PS. I will create zip files of each box and post them somewhere for everyone to download as we should have multiple copies everywhere and also it is very time consuming to select each one, enlarge it and save it to my computer. I would not want anyone else to have to do that!
Wow... I have downloaded quite a few files myself, but ALL of them? You will find there are MANY duplicates... ie just these handwritten notes would be 40 files of the same 10 things....
It appears they stopped putting things in there around 1977... (HSCA ??) I preferred to focus on the documents from 11/22-11/24....
So for example... Gladys Shastid's 5 docs are really only 1 with 4 bad copies, and the original is not even "original" or a photo of the original, but a COPY of the signed original...
The INDEX is also not perfect... there are docs listed as 1992 yet are from 1963.... seems to me that none of the very new things are kept there. There is no mention of a "movie script" in the index for example.
DJ
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[TR]
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[TD]FOLDER[/TD]
[TD]ITEM[/TD]
[TD]DOC_TYPE[/TD]
[TD]DOC_DATE[/TD]
[TD]PRIMAUTH[/TD]
[TD]QUALITY[/TD]
[TD]http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
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[TD]001[/TD]
[TD]Affidavit In Any Fact-typed[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid[/TD]
[TD]Original Signed[/TD]
[TD]Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]03[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]002[/TD]
[TD]Affidavit In Any Fact-typed[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid[/TD]
[TD]Carbon Copy Signed[/TD]
[TD]Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]03[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]003[/TD]
[TD]Affidavit In Any Fact-typed[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid[/TD]
[TD]Carbon Copy Signed[/TD]
[TD]Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]004[/TD]
[TD]Affidavit In Any Fact-typed[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid[/TD]
[TD]Carbon Copy Signed[/TD]
[TD]Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]005[/TD]
[TD]Affidavit In Any Fact-typed[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid[/TD]
[TD]Carbon Copy Signed[/TD]
[TD]Statement concerning a threat against President Kennedy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD]Gladys Shastid Count[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
I even missed this other box with 34 pages as opposed to the 10 in each of the other locations: and come to find that while the first 4 items are the same, the 34 itrems come from a different sitting entirely...
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[TR]
[TD]BOX[/TD]
[TD]FOLDER[/TD]
[TD]ITEM[/TD]
[TD]DOC_TYPE[/TD]
[TD]DOC_DATE[/TD]
[TD]PRIMAUTH[/TD]
[TD]QUALITY[/TD]
[TD]http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]01[/TD]
[TD]05[/TD]
[TD]018[/TD]
[TD]Personal - Oswald[/TD]
[TD]11/23/63[/TD]
[TD]an unknown author[/TD]
[TD]Photocopy[/TD]
[TD]Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing various activities[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]02[/TD]
[TD]05[/TD]
[TD]001[/TD]
[TD]Personal - Oswald[/TD]
[TD]date unknown[/TD]
[TD]Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD]Photocopy[/TD]
[TD]Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]01[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[TD]Personal - Oswald[/TD]
[TD]date unknown[/TD]
[TD]Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD]Photocopy Poor Quality[/TD]
[TD]Handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald describing his activities[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]01[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]Personal - Oswald[/TD]
[TD]date unknown[/TD]
[TD]Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD]Photocopy Poor Quality[/TD]
[TD]Photocopies of handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]02[/TD]
[TD]001[/TD]
[TD]Personal - Oswald[/TD]
[TD]date unknown[/TD]
[TD]Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD]Photocopy Poor Quality[/TD]
[TD]Photocopies of handwritten notes by Lee Harvey Oswald[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
and you will still not find a copy of ANY LETTER TO OSWALD from his brother or "mother"...
DJ
I know there are many duplicates but I was on a roll and as they are assigned individual numbers I figured I should just download them all.
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Sounds GREAT to me Marlene, I will definitely be interested in the zip files of the exhibits themselves... a better index would be an interesting project as you go...
Please PM me with anything interesting or quenstionable... Those Oswald notes I had not stumbled across before - that they support the HARVEY timeline as opposed to the WCR's LEE timeline
is mighty powerful....
I'm curious to know if JA was aware of this HARVEY written chronology....
DJ
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David Josephs Wrote:Sounds GREAT to me Marlene, I will definitely be interested in the zip files of the exhibits themselves... a better index would be an interesting project as you go...
Please PM me with anything interesting or quenstionable... Those Oswald notes I had not stumbled across before - that they support the HARVEY timeline as opposed to the WCR's LEE timeline
is mighty powerful....
I'm curious to know if JA was aware of this HARVEY written chronology....
DJ
I will David. I will also set up a separate thread for this as well. Isn't Jim Hargrove on here, he would probably know and if not he can ask JA.
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Hey, you two....
It sounds like you're both up to some interesting work here! I've had little free time the last few days, and without studying the evidence you're looking at, it's difficult for me to contribute anything immediately. But David talks directly with JA from time to time and I'm sure he can keep him up to date. Happy hunting!
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