The MK-ULTRA iceberg

[Ed Jewett]

The ethical consent issue -- at least among members of the US military -- is a moot point since, if memory serves me -- and I can probably dig out the reference if necessary -- that under Rumsfeld (the ex-CEO of Searle then SecDef) and as anointed by Cheney hunting partner, yon Supreme SCOTian Scalia, members of the US military have no recourse if guinea-pigged during their service. Actually, I think the reference is already here under bio-chemical warfare; I recall it was one of the first posts made here by me -- indirectly, by Magda -- if memory is still intact.

[Jan Klimkowski]

The ethical consent issue -- at least among members of the US military -- is a moot point since, if memory serves me -- and I can probably dig out the reference if necessary -- that under Rumsfeld (the ex-CEO of Searle then SecDef) and as anointed by Cheney hunting partner, yon Supreme SCOTian Scalia, members of the US military have no recourse if guinea-pigged during their service. Actually, I think the reference is already here under bio-chemical warfare; I recall it was one of the first posts made here by me -- indirectly, by Magda -- if memory is still intact.

I know what you're talking about, Ed.

However, with respect, I'm not sure I'd describe the ethical consent point as "moot" just because the US military has attemped to write a clause into soldiers' contracts that the Pentagon can experiment on them in any fashion it likes. I'd describe such a clause as inherently unethical, and clearly capable of being overridden by international human rights law.

Except, silly me, I forgot that the Yankees don't recognize international human rights courts.

Plus, Rumsfeld and Cheney were the criminals directly responsible for covering up the murder of Frank Olson once he, inconveniently, rediscovered his moral conscience and made preparations to disclose unethical, terminal, human experiments.

[Ed Jewett]

Yes, silly us, being moral and ethical when everyone else is so pragmatic and legal and pathological.

[Ed Jewett]

Virtual Reality Mind Control Experiments

May 19th, 2010 Via: Technofascism Blog:

Ultra-creepy mind-control experiments now go mainstream. The video of this experiment looks like a scene from the Manchurian Candidate. I’m sure the souped up version of this “experiment” with the “volunteer” on psychosis-inducing pharmaceuticals is much more effective. Notice how the video involves all the classic elements of mind control: loss of identity, infantile regression, caressing to nurture feelings of security, and pay special attention to the VIOLENT SLAPPING part at the end of the video.
Also, after looking into one of the main authors of the paper, Olaf Blanke, I looked up one of his previous papers. In the acknowlegements section it states “O.B. is supported by the Sandoz Family Foundation.” Yes, THAT Sandoz; the same company that Albert Hoffman worked at in Switzerland when he discovered LSD; and, the same company that manufactured LSD for the CIA’s MKUltra experiments in the 50’s and early 60’s. Of course, this is all purely coincidental.
Video here: http://www.technofascismblog.com/2010/05...-1532.html

[Jan Klimkowski]

Virtual Reality Mind Control Experiments

Hohoho - Michael Persinger meets William Gibson meets the Ipcress File.

All in the name of progress, young man.... :mexican:

[Bernice Moore]

CIA Scoots in 'Human Guinea Pig' Case
Courthouse News Service
(CN) - A federal judge granted the CIA's request to be dismissed from a case in which US veterans say the government used them as human guinea pigs in Cold War-era drug experiments. The veterans can't sue the CIA because they can't prove they took ...

[Magda Hassan]

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nati...KULTRA.pdf

[Peter Lemkin]

For those who have not yet, please read Albarelli's book entitled A Terrible Mistake, the Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Cold War Experiments. While it claims to focus on the murder of Frank Olson and sort of does - it is the best book in many years with the latest compilation [and some new material] on MK/ULTRA and all of its sister programs. It also details how many who knew too much were murdered or silenced in other ways and how files and evidence of the programs were destroyed - but the techniques evolved in these nightmare programs were not. Great book...and sits next to the other better ones I have on mind-control programs and chemical/biological/psychological warfare [for all of these programs were all of the above - along with 'silent' interrogation/torture and covert murder programs].

[Danny Jarman]

This is an important thread so I felt like reviving it.

I've just been through Peter Levenda's "The Manson Secret" for the 2nd time.

It's bewildering and downright scary.

Incidents such as Jonestown and Sirhan Sirhan happened so long ago, it makes you think then what on earth is happening right NOW?

It's a deep black hole...

Jim Jones was almost certainly an experiment. How many Jim Jones' are there out there today and how many of them are at the front of Gladio type cells?

[Magda Hassan]

Wonder if David Corso was Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso's son perhaps? Corso ran the Vatican Rat Lines behind the back of Giovanni Battista Montini IMHO.
He essentially implied that he had FULL CONTROL of the project and was the person who decided who got or could get Vatican Visas and who would have to be removed from Vatican control to obtain SKOM doctored Visas. More later on this.

Yes he is his son according to this:

It was very nice to meet Lt. Col. Phillip J. Corso's son Phillip Jr and his wife Liz. Phill is a member of The Christian Motorcycle Association and a strong believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lt. Col. Phillip J. Corso was the author of "The Day After Roswell" with William J. Birnes.
"As chief of the Army's Foreign Technology Division in 1961, Phillip J. Corso stewarded the Roswell, New Mexico, alien artifacts in a reverse-engineering project that led to today's:

• Integrated circuit chips
  
• Fiber Optics
  
• Lasers
  
• Super-tenacity fibers
  
• and "seeded" the Roswell alien technology to giants of American industry."
  

http://www.logoschristian.org/ftwaltonbeach/