Peter Lemkin Wrote:The spent fuel rod assembly pool for unknown reasons was built near the TOP of the building....i.e. it is way above ground, supported by steel beams.
For some unknown reason, but probably something to do with vast amounts of greasy money, they built a nuclear power station in an earthquake zone and next to the sea in a place known for huge earthquakes and tsunamis. Dozen of them all over Japan. How stupid do you have to be? Not that I blame the poor Japanese people who just have to wear what their idiot leaders do.
I'm pretty sure every nuclear reactor in the world is built next to a coastline, river or lake. They need a constant water supply to keep the reactors and fuel rods cool. Doomsday machines, every one of them.
True. They are always placed near a large body of water [which they, at minimum pollute thermally; maximally pollute radioactively]. However, these are supposed to be designed by highly trained engineers and other needed scientists [such as geologists for locating them], to prevent accidents. Japan is on the most active seismic belt in the Pacific and has regular large earthquakes. This SHOULD have informed the designers and builders that: 1] extra strong containment would be necessary and it would have to be able to take a magnitude 9 or 10 earthquake; 2] earthquakes cause soil liquifaction, so that extra large foundations and down to bedrock would be needed; 3] nothing should be placed above in the buildings, as they could fall down; 4] earthquakes produce tsunamis and any such reactors should be WELL back from the shore, on high ground, and even then surrounded by a retainment wall; 5] earthquakes and tsunamis cause power outages - so the reactors needed to have earthquake-proof generators and fuel for perhaps two weeks, until main power might be restored. None of this was done. The GE models that were used in non-earthquake zones were used, as is; and the distance from the water was standard. The ONLY precaution they took was a tsunami wall - which was woefully too low...but wouldn't have helped much, as the power would still have gone out and the buildings and the reactors inside damaged from the earthquake, not to mention being without power to cool the fuel rods and reactors. Those engineers and approval agencies and persons should have to work on the cleanup!::doh::
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:2] earthquakes cause soil liquifaction, so that extra large foundations and down to bedrock would be needed
This has been the main cause of damage and ongoing inability (besides political) to reconstruct after the Christchurch earthquake. It is quite something to behold when the ground not only moves but becomes like soup.
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Those engineers and approval agencies and persons should have to work on the cleanup!::doh::
And the shareholder and their families.
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11-11-2013, 07:06 AM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2013, 08:06 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Here is a lovely [sic!] photo of the condition of Unit 4, which contains the majority of the fuel rods in the entire facility - because it was used for all of the spent fuel rods. Looks great! Looks like it could easily withstand any earthquake, or even being hit by a crane.....::thumbsdown:: Safe as could be. Not to worry.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
If the predictions about wiping out Japan and then lots of the Northern Hemisphere - if things go badly wrong, and they don't look good do they - then this clearly is a catastrophic event waiting to happen.
And it is impossible, as some have suggested, to "evacuate" the northern hemisphere, so in the doomsday scenario above, news won't leak about it via the MSM.
Don't fuck with the King of the Underworld I say.
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11-11-2013, 09:39 AM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2013, 10:02 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
David Guyatt Wrote:If the predictions about wiping out Japan and then lots of the Northern Hemisphere - if things go badly wrong, and they don't look good do they - then this clearly is a catastrophic event waiting to happen.
And it is impossible, as some have suggested, to "evacuate" the northern hemisphere, so in the doomsday scenario above, news won't leak about it via the MSM.
Don't fuck with the King of the Underworld I say.
David, On the uhummmm 'positive' side, in the worst case scenario people would be dying quickly only near the plant....those in Tokyo and such would get cancers and radiation sickness in a few months; those around the N. Hemisphere would due to winds and rains vary greatly in the effects and have from a year to many...so you'll get to finish your wine and even order more, finish your readings, and take some nice walks in Nature, etc. It won't be quick, but it won't be pretty either. ::willynilly::
Let's all hope as idiotic as Tepco is, that they somehow pull this off!...as if they don't.... ::
[oh, and by the way, the S. Hemisphere will also be affected, only later and to a somewhat lesser extent - air and water mix between the two, more slowly than within each hemisphere]. Palau or Antarctica might be a good places to develop friends.::evilpenguin:: The UK can relocate to the Malvinas....maybe Maggie knew something, eh?!
Statistically, baring another earthquake that collapses building 4, the chances are for only some fuel rod assemblies to break and/or burn and release their radiation. This would increase the worldwide incidence of cancer - already very high and rapidly increasing due to a host of stupid human activities.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
David Guyatt Wrote:If the predictions about wiping out Japan and then lots of the Northern Hemisphere - if things go badly wrong, and they don't look good do they - then this clearly is a catastrophic event waiting to happen.
And it is impossible, as some have suggested, to "evacuate" the northern hemisphere, so in the doomsday scenario above, news won't leak about it via the MSM.
Don't fuck with the King of the Underworld I say.
David, On the uhummmm 'positive' side, in the worst case scenario people would be dying quickly only near the plant....those in Tokyo and such would get cancers and radiation sickness in a few months; those around the N. Hemisphere would due to winds and rains vary greatly in the effects and have from a year to many...so you'll get to finish your wine and even order more, finish your readings, and take some nice walks in Nature, etc. It won't be quick, but it won't be pretty either. ::willynilly::
Let's all hope as idiotic as Tepco is, that they somehow pull this off!...as if they don't.... ::
[oh, and by the way, the S. Hemisphere will also be affected, only later and to a somewhat lesser extent - air and water mix between the two, more slowly than within each hemisphere]. Palau or Antarctica might be a good places to develop friends.::evilpenguin:: The UK can relocate to the Malvinas....maybe Maggie knew something, eh?!
Statistically, baring another earthquake that collapses building 4, the chances are for only some fuel rod assemblies to break and/or burn and release their radiation. This would increase the worldwide incidence of cancer - already very high and rapidly increasing due to a host of stupid human activities.
What you're saying Pete, is that I should relocate my local wine merchant somewhere warm isn't it?
The Malvinas are a bit too bleak for a man of my palate, so how about Oz, or is that too close to Japan?
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I've got the spare room ready for you all. Your wine cellar welcome too David. Actually you will find a nice drop or two here as well. Assuming climate change doesn't bugger up all the wine growing areas. The fracking is doing fine on its own.
I have several American and Canadian friends who came here in the 1960's and 70's because it wasn't South Africa but as far away from the insane US Cuban nuke crisis and general march to militarism as possible. Short of Antarctica. Where there are not many jobs and huge heating bills.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
David Guyatt Wrote:What you're saying Pete, is that I should relocate my local wine merchant somewhere warm isn't it?
The Malvinas are a bit too bleak for a man of my palate, so how about Oz, or is that too close to Japan?
Oz or N.Z. are not bad places [if you don't mind the blood draining to your head - or the fire storms in Oz; earthquakes in N.Z.]. The prevailing winds would take any radiation from Japan and sent it first heading East by ocean currents and Jet Stream around the N. Hemisphere many times before it slowly eddied into the S. Hemisphere - having lost most of the radiation. The problem is, were something like this to happen, anyone who could afford to, would soon pack up and move South....but there is less landmass there and many to most nations there would soon either make immigration for the highest bidder and/or just restrict it, to exclude not be overrun. Yes, the Malvinas are a bit bleak, cold and windswept. There is the main part of S. America, as well. Let's hope it doesn't come to this......though the odds frightening, and the entities we need to 'rely on' proven as untrustworthy.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
David Guyatt Wrote:What you're saying Pete, is that I should relocate my local wine merchant somewhere warm isn't it?
The Malvinas are a bit too bleak for a man of my palate, so how about Oz, or is that too close to Japan?
Oz or N.Z. are not bad places [if you don't mind the blood draining to your head
I once watched a guy drink a pint of beer while standing on his head, so I know it's possible.
Phew!
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Palau or Antarctica might be a good places to develop friends.::evilpenguin:: The UK can relocate to the Malvinas....maybe Maggie knew something, eh?!