Sean Murphy's research deserves more

[Albert Doyle]

Looks like a watch to me... What gets me is that PM hardly moves at all.... between these two images

FWIW

If it's a watch then why is it illuminating so much in the shade? I believe if you showed the other sharp blow-up of Darnell you will see there's no watch on Prayer Man's arm. Good examples are over on the Education Forum Bob referenced.


Can't be a watch. If you take sharp measurements the glowing area is equidistant from both elbows which would be where the hand is and too far down the arm to be a wrist watch. Check it out.

[Albert Doyle]

It's also possible the reason Baker didn't mention Oswald in his first affidavit is because he encountered Oswald again on the 4th floor landing. Having seen two Oswalds in two different places Baker may have been clued to leave this unmentioned until further notified. That would explain the lack of curiosity about this 4th floor person at the time. It doesn't make sense that Baker would draw a gun on the lunchroom Oswald but then not confront the 4th floor person who was much closer to the crime scene Baker was running towards. The lack of description of the 4th floor person and original lack of mention of the lunchroom encounter could be explained by Baker encountering one Oswald after another.

This makes sense because having been told by Truly that Oswald was one of ours Baker might not be inclined to confront him if he saw him again on the 4th floor.

[Bob Prudhomme]

It's also possible the reason Baker didn't mention Oswald in his first affidavit is because he encountered Oswald again on the 4th floor landing. Having seen two Oswalds in two different places Baker may have been clued to leave this unmentioned until further notified. That would explain the lack of curiosity about this 4th floor person at the time. It doesn't make sense that Baker would draw a gun on the lunchroom Oswald but then not confront the 4th floor person who was much closer to the crime scene Baker was running towards. The lack of description of the 4th floor person and original lack of mention of the lunchroom encounter could be explained by Baker encountering one Oswald after another.

This makes sense because having been told by Truly that Oswald was one of ours Baker might not be inclined to confront him if he saw him again on the 4th floor.

How did Oswald beat Baker to the 4th floor? Or wait, let me guess, he figured Oswald had a twin brother working there, and if Oswald was okay, that automatically made the twin okay.

[Albert Doyle]

How did Oswald beat Baker to the 4th floor? Or wait, let me guess, he figured Oswald had a twin brother working there, and if Oswald was okay, that automatically made the twin okay.

Why did Baker pull a gun on Oswald on the 2nd floor and then let the man on the 4th floor landing just walk away unidentified? Who knows? Maybe it wasn't the double. Maybe it was the guy Carr saw go out the back door.

[Lauren Johnson]

It's also possible the reason Baker didn't mention Oswald in his first affidavit is because he encountered Oswald again on the 4th floor landing. Having seen two Oswalds in two different places Baker may have been clued to leave this unmentioned until further notified. That would explain the lack of curiosity about this 4th floor person at the time. It doesn't make sense that Baker would draw a gun on the lunchroom Oswald but then not confront the 4th floor person who was much closer to the crime scene Baker was running towards. The lack of description of the 4th floor person and original lack of mention of the lunchroom encounter could be explained by Baker encountering one Oswald after another.

This makes sense because having been told by Truly that Oswald was one of ours Baker might not be inclined to confront him if he saw him again on the 4th floor.

How did Oswald beat Baker to the 4th floor? Or wait, let me guess, he figured Oswald had a twin brother working there, and if Oswald was okay, that automatically made the twin okay.

Hey Bob, I just finished ... gasp pant ... reading the Sean Murphy thread. It was pretty impressive considering I have been an "Oswald-was-not-on-the-front-steps" guy. Whoever was there, he was spooky or should we say Spooky? He apparently comes out just as the motorcade goes by and DOESN'T MOVE -- as if he is showing up for work. He doesn't run out to the island and then the parking lot with Lovelady. He just stays there.

[Lauren Johnson]

This is getting into Ralph Kitchen Cinque plus snake oil territory. There is plenty of doubt it was Oswald on the TSB steps if you are referring to 'that' photo. He was sighted in the lunchroom by several people and there is already much documentation along those lines. He was not on the 6th floor in either case and was not the assassin. You'd do better to did out the pertinet research and make a case for it than leave it buried in that thread.

I finally finished reading this and am pretty impressed. Having said that, it still does not change anything in the deep political aspect of the assassination. This thread has lots of eyeballs. I think the strength of JFKU was about WHY JFK was killed. The mechanics and personnel are secondary. When should the research community say, Enough?

[LR Trotter]

This is getting into Ralph Kitchen Cinque plus snake oil territory. There is plenty of doubt it was Oswald on the TSB steps if you are referring to 'that' photo. He was sighted in the lunchroom by several people and there is already much documentation along those lines. He was not on the 6th floor in either case and was not the assassin. You'd do better to did out the pertinet research and make a case for it than leave it buried in that thread.

Having read this post as well as some follow-up comments, I still see a similarity to the earlier discussion regarding Billy N Lovelady being identified as Lee H Oswald in the Altgens photograph. Speaking as a student, and not a researcher, my concern is that if PM as LHO were to become a major issue, only to be disproved later by testimony to prove PM being someone else, then possibly a case could be made by LNers that if it is not LHO pictured it means he is indeed a 6th floor shooter. Far too many only catch and pay attention to headlines.
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[Donald Manning]

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Looks like a watch to me... What gets me is that PM hardly moves at all.... between these two images

FWIW

This is significant. It strikes me first, that Oswald is not surprised or he would be out in the island with Lovelady. The timing is important. He comes out just as the assassination is going to take place. Does he have an assignment? Or along the Charlie Drago lines, did he expect a fake assassination drill, and suddenly it went live. "Now what do I do? I better get to the Texas Theater for instructions."

Lovelady doesn't have to be at the at the island above because there is a similar face to his almost exactly where the black man stood, in David's overlay it lights up like the moon behind the black man who disappears(to the island).
Lovelady is actually seen in Hughes in that exact same position behind AFM and in front of PM.


Also, if PM hardly moved that means that you can use Darnell to know where PM was stood in Wiegman, which was clearly in the shade because in no way is the light hitting PM's arms comparible to that hitting those south of that position in that moving footage.

For example, just because we see only part of the door frame in this image, does it mean that that part of it was in direct sunlight?




BL moved to his left to track the limo, Hughes confirms that but I think he moved back to that exact same Hughes position, that however does not mean BL didn't move up a step or two when he first shifted east, in fact since he was tracking the limo it would have been the sensible thing to do.


I myself don't really have a problem with BL or BWF not mentioning a LHO encounter at this time, there is far weirder stuff than that in this case.
If you know how Truly himself described the shooting and how he got to the steps(and completely missed the bike cop who parked at his feet), then compare that to what we see of him in the films,
anything is possible.

[Donald Manning]

Looks like a watch to me... What gets me is that PM hardly moves at all.... between these two images

FWIW

If it's a watch then why is it illuminating so much in the shade? I believe if you showed the other sharp blow-up of Darnell you will see there's no watch on Prayer Man's arm. Good examples are over on the Education Forum Bob referenced.


Can't be a watch. If you take sharp measurements the glowing area is equidistant from both elbows which would be where the hand is and too far down the arm to be a wrist watch. Check it out.

Perhaps a camera then.
Photoman.

[Donald Manning]

This is getting into Ralph Kitchen Cinque plus snake oil territory. There is plenty of doubt it was Oswald on the TSB steps if you are referring to 'that' photo. He was sighted in the lunchroom by several people and there is already much documentation along those lines. He was not on the 6th floor in either case and was not the assassin. You'd do better to did out the pertinet research and make a case for it than leave it buried in that thread.

Having read this post as well as some follow-up comments, I still see a similarity to the earlier discussion regarding Billy N Lovelady being identified as Lee H Oswald in the Altgens photograph. Speaking as a student, and not a researcher, my concern is that if PM as LHO were to become a major issue, only to be disproved later by testimony to prove PM being someone else, then possibly a case could be made by LNers that if it is not LHO pictured it means he is indeed a 6th floor shooter. Far too many only catch and pay attention to headlines.
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There's one huge difference.
Unlikely as it may seem, Prayerman could still be LHO.

Also this evidence of a man in the doorway is far stronger than fifty people swearing there was no one there and you know, it can happen.
Screw what the nutters say anyway, this still has the potential to make thier sort extinct or at least permanantly relegated to bottom feeding on YT.