Quote:Malay Boeing and conspiracy theories - Svargaman
Posted Svargaman March 25, 2014 in Conspirology | No comments
Catastrophe March 8 this year, Boeing 777-200ER, 370 commits passenger flight Malaysia Airlines (aka Flight 748 China Southern Airlines through codeshare) from Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) to Beijing (China) "disappeared" in flight with 227 passengers from 15 countries on board, including Russian and two Ukrainians, as well as 12 crew members. Just today, Australian Aerospace Agency satellite spotted in the Indian Ocean two large object, which can be (and probably will) the wreckage of the aircraft. «Lockheed AP-3C Orion» Australian Air Force has already circled over the scene, and the remaining aircraft and ships are tightened. The length of the larger object is about 24 meters, but I have no doubt that experts will find a plausible explanation of how these fragments are still not sunk on March 8, and why were not found until now. Thus ended this tragic story, and now it's time to tell it. I have already reported that, sorry for the extensive self-citation, "starting March c16 U.S., Russia and China have identified their military satellites for coordinated joint search Malaysian Boeing 777 missing with 239 people on board. American UAVs also removed from combat missions in Afghanistan on this hunt, where most attention is paid to the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. The search is over Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, where there are many abandoned former Soviet military airfields and military airbases. Currently officially recognized that the last contact with the flight MH370 came from the ground, and the Minister of Transport of Malaysia said that the search is now underway "on land areas in 11 states." The remaining six states include almost the entire East Asia, starting with Thailand. It is reported that the hijackers "may" belong to the East Turkestan Liberation Organization, the Uighur separatist movement in northwest China's Xinjiang province. This scenario allows the possibility of refueling aircraft for use by the hijackers for something like 9/11. This version led to the intensification of cooperation between the U.S., Russia and China through the "war on terror" - though to me it seems far-fetched. For example, to cover some of the active American activities. " Now the situation is clarified, but causes even more problems. While on board were returning from a trip to Bali 43-year-old citizen of Russia Nicholas Brodsky from Irkutsk and two Ukrainians, 45-year-old Sergei Odessites Dejneka and Oleg Chustrak. Facts become known to detect debris, but hushed official bodies and the media, as follows: on board the Boeing 777 was suspicious cargo arrived in Kuala Lumpur by a roundabout route. Cargo arrived from the United States to the Republic of Seychelles on flying the flag of the U.S. container ship «Maersk Alabama» accompanied by staff marine security firm Trident Group, founded by former senior officers and special operations forces of the U.S. Navy surface. The firm specializes in the protection of transport nuclear and biological materials. Ship Maersk Alabama (formerly Alva Maersk) is owned by Maersk Line Limited, based vNorfolke (Va.) next door to the main naval base of the U.S. Navy Atlantic Fleet, and operated by Waterman Steamship Corporation of Mobile (Alabama). February 17 cargo has been unloaded from the ship «Maersk Alabama», delivered to the Seychelles International Airport and shipped by Emirates Airlines flight bound for Kuala Lumpur. After a stopover in Dubai accompanied load two highly commandos of the U.S. Navy have been found aboard a container ship «Maersk Alabama» dead "under suspicious circumstances." We are talking about hired in Virginia Beach (Virginia) employees Trident Group 43-year-old Mark Daniel Kennedy and 44-year-old Jeffrey Keith Reynolds. March 8 this cargo was sent hapless flight Kuala Lumpur - Beijing, but did not arrive at their destination. When the flight was in the air and walked out of the zone of responsibility of the Malaysian air traffic controller, it was reported that Chinese managers on the basis of instructions of security services barred gate in Beijing and sent a plane to an alternate airport Haikou Meilan (code HAK) on Hainan Island. However, over the South China Sea before entering the airspace covered with Defense of People's Liberation Army of China Spratlys plane deviated sharply from the declared flight plan and headed for the atoll of Diego Garcia in the Chagos archipelago, located about 3450 km from the point of diversion. According to official figures the last known position of the aircraft was over the Indian Ocean about 1,600 kilometers west of Perth (Australia). The wreckage was found at about 2400-2500 km south-west of Perth. Only one atoll of Diego Garcia placed among many other satellite control station USAF monitoring station global positioning system USAF global shortwave communication system the U.S. Air Force, providing continuous control of nuclear missile forces and aircraft, as well as tracking station for space-Force U.S. and emergency landing pad "space shuttle." Airspace throughout the region is controlled so that albatross will not fly unnoticed, not to mention the huge "Boeing." A week after the "disappearance" of a Malaysian aircraft United States, Russia and China have identified their military satellites for its "joint search." Other countries provide their own funds for research. However, on March 8 satellites aforementioned countries watched the aircraft in real time up to its landing on the basis of the U.S. Navy and Air Force of Diego Garcia, registered as a spare landing pad for ETOPS flight planning twin-engine commercial airliners. Do not distress commercial airliners do not sit there, but the place is very convenient. 45 years ago owning archipelago UK illegally deported all the locals (iloev) in the Republic of Mauritius and the Seychelles, and the decision of the Supreme Court ignored its own, referring to a lease agreement with the United States. Since then, the base can often see the strategic bombers B-52 and B-2 than any other aircraft. However, after March 8, everything changed. Almost immediately arrived at the base at least four passenger jets. Among the passengers there was virtually no "Mr.", the vast majority titled "Doctor". Among them are the leading specialists, epidemiologists and microbiologists from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and their Chinese counterparts (most of the passengers 'lost' flight - Chinese). On treatment of diplomats of several countries for an explanation about what purpose the American and Chinese experts were brought on Diego Garcia, and where he was at the time of the flight 370 requests, replies had been received. Specific concern was the strange logistics move "suspicious cargo" delivered from the U.S. to the Seychelles sea, thence sent to Malaysia by air freight and "lain" 18-19 days before being sent to China. Consideration savings disappears, since the services accompanying the cargo on the sea route section Trident Group are not cheap. However, if the goods represented a danger, and employees of the Office of Transport Security (TSA) U.S. Department of Homeland Security for one reason or another could not be initiated into the details of the delivery by sea to the Indian Ocean seems reasonable solution. You can also speculate whether liquidation "lion" routine part of the operation, or any veterans peculiar ideas about the possibility of unauthorized use of all or part of the load - or they just saw or blurted out too much - it does not matter. Why drove this filth in China that would Uighur separatists were going to do with the Uighurs, or on their behalf - can be discussed later. Anyway, according to the old, almost stalled the trial of former deputy chief of logistics management PLA Lieutenant General Gu Junshan, who was arrested in 2012 on corruption charges, was arrested March 15, former deputy chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC) of the PRC, Colonel-General Xu Caihou . He was taken directly from his hospital bed the Beijing hospital where was being treated for cancer. Simultaneously detained his private secretary, wife and daughter. I think that now the investigation finds out who has met him recently. If this person will survive the termination of the treatment, it will become the highest-ranking Chinese military accused of corruption. It is unlikely he will be accused of something else, but his chances of surviving are slim to court. Of course, for health reasons. All serious experts agree that no plane crashed and landed. Twelve days all states from the U.S. to China and Japan were looking for a plane or its fragments, trace, oily slick on the water - and found none. The only explanation - kidnapping. The main consequence of the suspects has focused on the pilots. Venerable expert on aviation safety Isaac Yeffet, who served as head of global security safest in the world airline El Al: "We're talking about 53-year-old FAC worked for 30 years in Malaysia Airlines, and suddenly he was a terrorist? He wanted to commit suicide? ". Adding that the PIC on that flight Zachary Ahmad Shah was known as a happy family life in the comfort of living in a wealthy man, the expert said that he just does not fit the profile. Currently Yeffet advises in the U.S., and he tried to "throw a switch" on Iran, not failing to condemn the supporters of "conspiracy theory". However, he was forced to admit that two ordinary Iranians traveling on stolen documents could not commit such a "wonderful crime." Moreover, they were not armed, did not know how to fly a plane - and also did not fit the profile. On the other hand the missing plane, like many others, was equipped FBWCS that is not new. Experts say that by-wire control system allows specially trained and appropriately equipped to intercept people remotely control, virtually turning the aircraft in the UAV. A few days ago the Israeli airline El Al announced that its "Boeing" system will be installed to prevent such a possibility - but El Al is known for its bordering on paranoia attitude towards security and because even they only plan to install such protection, we can safely say that on the Malaysian ship was nothing like this at all. Chinese women, shouting that they hide from the truth about the fate of their sons, was escorted from the airport in Kuala Lumpur. The large number of luminaries in medicine at the site of the "first" landing soothes me, on the contrary. If we are talking about, what I can not speak, not to be suspected in commitment "conspiracy theory", a similar opportunity for these scientists is unique. Such things are not even allowed to test in mice. Mysterious later detection is unclear how the debris caught in the ocean suggests the worst. Place of discovery, about two and a half thousand kilometers to the south-west of Perth, indicates that if the pilot or hijacker about to sit down on the ground, then he could fly except in Antarctica. On the other hand, this place is located on the side of the shipping lanes and air corridors, very convenient to get rid of the evidence, and its most recent flight Boeing 777-200ER, apparently made recently. On Diego Garcia based enough warships and vessels which could carry or drag and flood plane or its fragments, but men tend to shoot the breeze. Imagine how not want to devote to this naval history civil physicians, but in their favor is that they at least tried to save the passengers, in fact collect the required number of military experts antibacterial protection required qualification was unreal. Nevertheless, due to the very specifics of what happened civilian scientists and doctors will be silent, except that sometimes screaming at night. The whole story will never be available to the general public. Nobody refute said here, except that some friends tell me that it's too much like a thriller. Serious arguments against not lead no one and like many similar events in recent memory, this story will remain on web pages conspiracy theorists. This situation only shows that under the influence of brainwashing American propaganda (sorry, psychological operations and counterpropaganda American special services) continues to lose the remnants of humanity ability to resist - and to survive. http://forum-msk.org/material/power/10286133.html
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Quote:Malay Boeing and conspiracy theories - Svargaman
Posted Svargaman March 25, 2014 in Conspirology | No comments
Catastrophe March 8 this year, Boeing 777-200ER, 370 commits passenger flight Malaysia Airlines (aka Flight 748 China Southern Airlines through codeshare) from Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) to Beijing (China) "disappeared" in flight with 227 passengers from 15 countries on board, including Russian and two Ukrainians, as well as 12 crew members. Just today, Australian Aerospace Agency satellite spotted in the Indian Ocean two large object, which can be (and probably will) the wreckage of the aircraft. «Lockheed AP-3C Orion» Australian Air Force has already circled over the scene, and the remaining aircraft and ships are tightened. The length of the larger object is about 24 meters, but I have no doubt that experts will find a plausible explanation of how these fragments are still not sunk on March 8, and why were not found until now. Thus ended this tragic story, and now it's time to tell it. I have already reported that, sorry for the extensive self-citation, "starting March c16 U.S., Russia and China have identified their military satellites for coordinated joint search Malaysian Boeing 777 missing with 239 people on board. American UAVs also removed from combat missions in Afghanistan on this hunt, where most attention is paid to the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. The search is over Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, where there are many abandoned former Soviet military airfields and military airbases. Currently officially recognized that the last contact with the flight MH370 came from the ground, and the Minister of Transport of Malaysia said that the search is now underway "on land areas in 11 states." The remaining six states include almost the entire East Asia, starting with Thailand. It is reported that the hijackers "may" belong to the East Turkestan Liberation Organization, the Uighur separatist movement in northwest China's Xinjiang province. This scenario allows the possibility of refueling aircraft for use by the hijackers for something like 9/11. This version led to the intensification of cooperation between the U.S., Russia and China through the "war on terror" - though to me it seems far-fetched. For example, to cover some of the active American activities. " Now the situation is clarified, but causes even more problems. While on board were returning from a trip to Bali 43-year-old citizen of Russia Nicholas Brodsky from Irkutsk and two Ukrainians, 45-year-old Sergei Odessites Dejneka and Oleg Chustrak. Facts become known to detect debris, but hushed official bodies and the media, as follows: on board the Boeing 777 was suspicious cargo arrived in Kuala Lumpur by a roundabout route. Cargo arrived from the United States to the Republic of Seychelles on flying the flag of the U.S. container ship «Maersk Alabama» accompanied by staff marine security firm Trident Group, founded by former senior officers and special operations forces of the U.S. Navy surface. The firm specializes in the protection of transport nuclear and biological materials. Ship Maersk Alabama (formerly Alva Maersk) is owned by Maersk Line Limited, based vNorfolke (Va.) next door to the main naval base of the U.S. Navy Atlantic Fleet, and operated by Waterman Steamship Corporation of Mobile (Alabama). February 17 cargo has been unloaded from the ship «Maersk Alabama», delivered to the Seychelles International Airport and shipped by Emirates Airlines flight bound for Kuala Lumpur. After a stopover in Dubai accompanied load two highly commandos of the U.S. Navy have been found aboard a container ship «Maersk Alabama» dead "under suspicious circumstances." We are talking about hired in Virginia Beach (Virginia) employees Trident Group 43-year-old Mark Daniel Kennedy and 44-year-old Jeffrey Keith Reynolds. March 8 this cargo was sent hapless flight Kuala Lumpur - Beijing, but did not arrive at their destination. When the flight was in the air and walked out of the zone of responsibility of the Malaysian air traffic controller, it was reported that Chinese managers on the basis of instructions of security services barred gate in Beijing and sent a plane to an alternate airport Haikou Meilan (code HAK) on Hainan Island. However, over the South China Sea before entering the airspace covered with Defense of People's Liberation Army of China Spratlys plane deviated sharply from the declared flight plan and headed for the atoll of Diego Garcia in the Chagos archipelago, located about 3450 km from the point of diversion. According to official figures the last known position of the aircraft was over the Indian Ocean about 1,600 kilometers west of Perth (Australia). The wreckage was found at about 2400-2500 km south-west of Perth. Only one atoll of Diego Garcia placed among many other satellite control station USAF monitoring station global positioning system USAF global shortwave communication system the U.S. Air Force, providing continuous control of nuclear missile forces and aircraft, as well as tracking station for space-Force U.S. and emergency landing pad "space shuttle." Airspace throughout the region is controlled so that albatross will not fly unnoticed, not to mention the huge "Boeing." A week after the "disappearance" of a Malaysian aircraft United States, Russia and China have identified their military satellites for its "joint search." Other countries provide their own funds for research. However, on March 8 satellites aforementioned countries watched the aircraft in real time up to its landing on the basis of the U.S. Navy and Air Force of Diego Garcia, registered as a spare landing pad for ETOPS flight planning twin-engine commercial airliners. Do not distress commercial airliners do not sit there, but the place is very convenient. 45 years ago owning archipelago UK illegally deported all the locals (iloev) in the Republic of Mauritius and the Seychelles, and the decision of the Supreme Court ignored its own, referring to a lease agreement with the United States. Since then, the base can often see the strategic bombers B-52 and B-2 than any other aircraft. However, after March 8, everything changed. Almost immediately arrived at the base at least four passenger jets. Among the passengers there was virtually no "Mr.", the vast majority titled "Doctor". Among them are the leading specialists, epidemiologists and microbiologists from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and their Chinese counterparts (most of the passengers 'lost' flight - Chinese). On treatment of diplomats of several countries for an explanation about what purpose the American and Chinese experts were brought on Diego Garcia, and where he was at the time of the flight 370 requests, replies had been received. Specific concern was the strange logistics move "suspicious cargo" delivered from the U.S. to the Seychelles sea, thence sent to Malaysia by air freight and "lain" 18-19 days before being sent to China. Consideration savings disappears, since the services accompanying the cargo on the sea route section Trident Group are not cheap. However, if the goods represented a danger, and employees of the Office of Transport Security (TSA) U.S. Department of Homeland Security for one reason or another could not be initiated into the details of the delivery by sea to the Indian Ocean seems reasonable solution. You can also speculate whether liquidation "lion" routine part of the operation, or any veterans peculiar ideas about the possibility of unauthorized use of all or part of the load - or they just saw or blurted out too much - it does not matter. Why drove this filth in China that would Uighur separatists were going to do with the Uighurs, or on their behalf - can be discussed later. Anyway, according to the old, almost stalled the trial of former deputy chief of logistics management PLA Lieutenant General Gu Junshan, who was arrested in 2012 on corruption charges, was arrested March 15, former deputy chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC) of the PRC, Colonel-General Xu Caihou . He was taken directly from his hospital bed the Beijing hospital where was being treated for cancer. Simultaneously detained his private secretary, wife and daughter. I think that now the investigation finds out who has met him recently. If this person will survive the termination of the treatment, it will become the highest-ranking Chinese military accused of corruption. It is unlikely he will be accused of something else, but his chances of surviving are slim to court. Of course, for health reasons. All serious experts agree that no plane crashed and landed. Twelve days all states from the U.S. to China and Japan were looking for a plane or its fragments, trace, oily slick on the water - and found none. The only explanation - kidnapping. The main consequence of the suspects has focused on the pilots. Venerable expert on aviation safety Isaac Yeffet, who served as head of global security safest in the world airline El Al: "We're talking about 53-year-old FAC worked for 30 years in Malaysia Airlines, and suddenly he was a terrorist? He wanted to commit suicide? ". Adding that the PIC on that flight Zachary Ahmad Shah was known as a happy family life in the comfort of living in a wealthy man, the expert said that he just does not fit the profile. Currently Yeffet advises in the U.S., and he tried to "throw a switch" on Iran, not failing to condemn the supporters of "conspiracy theory". However, he was forced to admit that two ordinary Iranians traveling on stolen documents could not commit such a "wonderful crime." Moreover, they were not armed, did not know how to fly a plane - and also did not fit the profile. On the other hand the missing plane, like many others, was equipped FBWCS that is not new. Experts say that by-wire control system allows specially trained and appropriately equipped to intercept people remotely control, virtually turning the aircraft in the UAV. A few days ago the Israeli airline El Al announced that its "Boeing" system will be installed to prevent such a possibility - but El Al is known for its bordering on paranoia attitude towards security and because even they only plan to install such protection, we can safely say that on the Malaysian ship was nothing like this at all. Chinese women, shouting that they hide from the truth about the fate of their sons, was escorted from the airport in Kuala Lumpur. The large number of luminaries in medicine at the site of the "first" landing soothes me, on the contrary. If we are talking about, what I can not speak, not to be suspected in commitment "conspiracy theory", a similar opportunity for these scientists is unique. Such things are not even allowed to test in mice. Mysterious later detection is unclear how the debris caught in the ocean suggests the worst. Place of discovery, about two and a half thousand kilometers to the south-west of Perth, indicates that if the pilot or hijacker about to sit down on the ground, then he could fly except in Antarctica. On the other hand, this place is located on the side of the shipping lanes and air corridors, very convenient to get rid of the evidence, and its most recent flight Boeing 777-200ER, apparently made recently. On Diego Garcia based enough warships and vessels which could carry or drag and flood plane or its fragments, but men tend to shoot the breeze. Imagine how not want to devote to this naval history civil physicians, but in their favor is that they at least tried to save the passengers, in fact collect the required number of military experts antibacterial protection required qualification was unreal. Nevertheless, due to the very specifics of what happened civilian scientists and doctors will be silent, except that sometimes screaming at night. The whole story will never be available to the general public. Nobody refute said here, except that some friends tell me that it's too much like a thriller. Serious arguments against not lead no one and like many similar events in recent memory, this story will remain on web pages conspiracy theorists. This situation only shows that under the influence of brainwashing American propaganda (sorry, psychological operations and counterpropaganda American special services) continues to lose the remnants of humanity ability to resist - and to survive. http://forum-msk.org/material/power/10286133.html
Albert Doyle Wrote:I doubt they could hide the debris from a Gulf Of Thailand shoot-down.
Just putting Willyloman's thing up for consideration. There are no good explanations so far. But I wouldn't rule out this possibility just on the debris problem alone.
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"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
There are more unknowns than most think. For example [and highly suspicious to me] is that the freight manifest has not been released - and shouldn't be sensitive, unless something highly sensitive was in the hold. That something could have been reason enough for something going awry with this flight. I can see why the passenger manifest was long held close to the chest - out of respect for the relatives and friends of those onboard, but either might well be connected. Personally, I don't think a shoot down is likely, but one can not rule anything out. As far as the Russian article, I'm a bit skeptical that one can refuel a passenger flight. If one is going to go to that kind of trouble, one might as well hijack a military flight which can be refueled. Hijacking a secret military flight would be best - as they wouldn't want to acknowledge it. Just like with JFK, the waters seem to have been muddied by many divergent theories - some just filling the vacuum and speculation; some trying to pick and choose crumbs and build a scenario; some very likely injected disinformation. I think it is still too early to really 'investigate' this effectively - too little information one can trust. I'm waiting for some hard evidence and some motive. Both are missing at this point. IMHO. EVEN IF something is found that seems to be parts of the plane SW of Perth, that only starts the puzzle solution. I think it highly likely that who or whatever agent or agency pulled this off [and was able to disable two tracking systems], likely also knew how to disable the 'black box/flight recorders' and they may contain nothing even if found [a very very big if!].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
This is the latest and clearest information [?!] on why the officials are saying the plane went South. It is logical IF and only IF the data points are correct. At this time, we have no way to know...it is a matter of trust or not trusting until we know more. It is likely [but not certain by any means] that they are correct - although on the pilot forum there are some who have noted discrepancies in different reports as to the data. This will only be 'solved' by an independent investigation - something unlikely and nearly impossible in our overly politicized and secretive world.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:This is the latest and clearest information [?!] on why the officials are saying the plane went South. It is logical IF and only IF the data points are correct. At this time, we have no way to know...it is a matter of trust or not trusting until we know more.
Is there any chance the data has been fabricated?
These are the data I am willing to go by: 1) ML370 took off with some passengers on board, 2) it didn't arrive, and 3) consistent confusion. And three may be as much a piece of data as one and two.
Right about now, it's time for someone to say, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is the best. ::facepalm::
Not true. Occams's Razor says the simplest explanation of the same data is the best. It seems to me that in the world of deep politics, just sorting what is and what is not a data point is one of the hardest challenges.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Peter Lemkin Wrote:This is the latest and clearest information [?!] on why the officials are saying the plane went South. It is logical IF and only IF the data points are correct. At this time, we have no way to know...it is a matter of trust or not trusting until we know more. It is likely [but not certain by any means] that they are correct - although on the pilot forum there are some who have noted discrepancies in different reports as to the data. This will only be 'solved' by an independent investigation - something unlikely and nearly impossible in our overly politicized and secretive world.
I understand this but still don't see how it could differentiate between identical tracks on both the north and south arc? CNN said the satellite was geo-stationary, therefore there would be no difference in the D2 value. Therefore there would be no difference between identical tracks on both the north and south arcs.
