R.K. Locke Wrote:They are assuming the southern arc because the northern one would mean the plane having to travel unnoticed through the airspace of numerous countries.
While I sort of agree with that premise (assuming the information is real) that wasn't what they were claiming. They said it was done by signal analysis science.
As for the problem of how to avoid radar into Central Asia, see [URL="http://keithledgerwood.com/"]http://keithledgerwood.com/
My gut feeling is that the plane was flown to somewhere along the northern arc, most likely a major airport where another 777 would go unnoticed, and then flown on to its final destination, another major airport where, again, it would go unnoticed. There are direct flights from that part of the world to Beijing, Moscow, Paris, and even London. Implying, of course, state actors, as others here have suggested.
I didn't get how a 777 could be unnoticed at a major airport. The logic seems to be, 'What's another 777?'
I quickly looked at the website. Maybe you could spell it out a little bit? I'm probably missing something.
What I meant was that it would go unnoticed by the casual observer. Though I see no Central Asian destinations listed at their website, I can't imagine that anyone wandering around in the terminal would wonder about a Malaysian jetliner. How long did it take for the Malaysians to even tell the world there was a plane missing? So there would have been no one at that time of night who would even know about the disappearance. Of course, this doesn't go for the ground crew and the tower. There seems to be a general assumption abroad that the plane must have been hijacked by private individuals or the pilots acting alone. If there are state actors involved, it's not difficult to imagine them diverting the plane upon landing to a hanger far from the main terminal, as some have suggested happened with at least one of the 9/11 planes.
Of the two websites I linked to, the one from Duncan Steel attempts to demonstrate that the southern route is far from proved. Steel is an internationally known space scientist, astrobiologist, and astronomer, for what that is worth. I tend not to take authorities terribly seriously, but at least we can assume that his mathematics are solid.
Ledgerwood early on presented a hypothesis (I hesitate to call it a theory) that the Malaysian plane hid above and behind a Singaporean plane headed across India toward Europe and thus avoided radar detection. Again, this assumes the lack of state actors. Ledgerwood has dropped off of the radar, so to speak, since March 25, when he was waiting for data on the intervening satellite pings from the aircraft. Since then the general distances of these pings have become known, and Ledgerwood has failed to respond. But again, if there are state actors involved, I can imagine someone camouflaging the plane electronically so it looked like some other flight.
The problem I have with the southern route is that it seems awfully convenient for making the plane disappear, and not really useful for anything else. It doesn't fit any hijacking agenda I can think of, and no one has claimed responsibility, not even someone looking for exposure who wasn't actually involved. There are no ransom notes, no demands, no flights into tall buildings.
As for suicide, flying for hours into the south Indian Ocean seems rather pretentious to me. Why not just fly into the Vietnam jungle? I guess one could postulate that the Moslem religious proscription against suicide might cause someone to hide the crime in the deep ocean, but I just don't buy that.
I can just barely see a scenario where everyone died and the autopilot went through some really peculiar changes, but again, that sounds awfully convenient to me.
Until I see some really solid evidence, I have to assume that this event has something to do with the technical folks on board and/or something technologically significant in the cargo hold. I don't even rule out the possibility that the Chinese themselves diverted the plane and then flew it on to some secret location in China. The guy who gave his wedding ring to his wife could just as easily have known he was going to end up working on some long term secret project rather than having been planning to hijack the plane.
08-04-2014, 04:06 AM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2014, 04:34 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
The 'authorities' have apparently admitted that the signal they picked up was at 33.3 KHz rather than 37.5 KHz - which is the specification for the flight recorders. Why the change? Doesn't make sense according to electronics - even if batteries are low. Like every black operation I've studied the NUMEROUS 'chance' anomalies are too numerous to make the event an 'accident' but instead a planned operation - from start to finish - through cover-up. There are SO many strange chance events in this saga....yet another is that the Chinese just happen to have the deepest operating unmanned submersible for imaging/sonar/recovery [7000 m].
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I've not vetted this 'theory'....just putting it out there for your enlightenment and amusement....if someone can even imagine such a complex scenario, imagine what scenario was really undertaken!..... Stranger things have happened and we have proof of!.....
While the USA is withdrawing from Afghanistan one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed it into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Taliban want is money. They offered to sell the system to the Russians & the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine but the Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defence scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia , thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese decided that it would be safest to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American would not hijack or harm a civilian aircraft ... So MH370 was the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with the Boeing's operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 was about to leave Malaysian air space and was reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How can AWAC do this ? Remember the 9/11 incident ? After the 9/11 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were fitted with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings can be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system is used to control pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They did not dare to fly east to the Philippines or Guam because the whole of the South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead people will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers took off again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean, causing the world to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and hence blame the defiant captain and co-pilot.
The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort into the South China Sea while the plane made its way to the Indian Ocean . Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is complicit.
The amount of effort put in by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean, is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly because of the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists.
An interesting theory, and one that would explain many strange things....BUT, one thing that would not make sense here is flying the 'cargo' to China - as Afghanistan and China have a land border....but such a complex story, to me, smells of intelligence-inspired disinformation to hide the real magic that went on!....and is going on still....
As far as I know the cargo manifest has NOT been released. There were rumors of lithium batteries - but only rumors. I'm inclined to think the cargo may hold [pun intended] the answers. [ATTACH=CONFIG]5869[/ATTACH]
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Steve Franklin Wrote:I can't imagine that anyone wandering around in the terminal would wonder about a Malaysian jetliner.
The problem with this theory, I think, is that those deadly keen aircraft spotters who spend their spare time spotting aircraft, writing down their tail numbers, taking photographs etc etc. Also, in an airport there are too many staff eyes too, who wouldn't keep quiet about something as important as this. Not least what happens to the passengers and crew? Are they to be kept in limbo for ever afterwards, leaving their "surviving" families to grow accustomed to the fact that they are dead?
Personally, I don't see how this could be the answer, but even so it's an interesting twist on the mystery.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:The 'authorities' have apparently admitted that the signal they picked up was at 33.3 KHz rather than 37.5 KHz - which is the specification for the flight recorders. Why the change? Doesn't make sense according to electronics - even if batteries are low. Like every black operation I've studied the NUMEROUS 'chance' anomalies are too numerous to make the event an 'accident' but instead a planned operation - from start to finish - through cover-up. There are SO many strange chance events in this saga....yet another is that the Chinese just happen to have the deepest operating unmanned submersible for imaging/sonar/recovery [7000 m].
Should we start thinking that the cover up is international in its scope? The Chinese, Russians, Malaysians, plus the Anglo-American bloc etc., all working together to deflect and hide the truth? IT's looking that way to me, but the question is why? Why would that be necessary?
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:The 'authorities' have apparently admitted that the signal they picked up was at 33.3 KHz rather than 37.5 KHz - which is the specification for the flight recorders. Why the change? Doesn't make sense according to electronics - even if batteries are low. Like every black operation I've studied the NUMEROUS 'chance' anomalies are too numerous to make the event an 'accident' but instead a planned operation - from start to finish - through cover-up. There are SO many strange chance events in this saga....yet another is that the Chinese just happen to have the deepest operating unmanned submersible for imaging/sonar/recovery [7000 m].
Should we start thinking that the cover up is international in its scope? The Chinese, Russians, Malaysians, plus the Anglo-American bloc etc., all working together to deflect and hide the truth? IT's looking that way to me, but the question is why? Why would that be necessary?
Well, I agree in part...based on what little information we have and the way they are acting. I'd guess they all have very different reasons for deflecting the truth - though in harmony on it being deflected from the Public and the Truth not being told. They can't [IMHO] have all be involved in pulling it off - likely a few were and the others are either hiding their incompetence, that they were secretly blackmailed or that they have their own secrets involved to keep. In similar ways, many who participated in the JFK assassination, Watergate, 9-11, 7-7 cover-ups [and those of SO MANY other black operations] were NOT privy to the original operation and had no hand in it.....but dutifully carried out the cover-up - most black operations plan them this way. The details we don't know yet to assign who falls in which 'camp'....
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:The 'authorities' have apparently admitted that the signal they picked up was at 33.3 KHz rather than 37.5 KHz - which is the specification for the flight recorders. Why the change? Doesn't make sense according to electronics - even if batteries are low. Like every black operation I've studied the NUMEROUS 'chance' anomalies are too numerous to make the event an 'accident' but instead a planned operation - from start to finish - through cover-up. There are SO many strange chance events in this saga....yet another is that the Chinese just happen to have the deepest operating unmanned submersible for imaging/sonar/recovery [7000 m].
Keep in mind that unless the signal is digital and narrowly defined, it will be heard across more than one single exact frequency. A radio signal can be described as a peak, with a leading and a trailing edge, so that what the "authorities" may be trying to say in their technically imprecise manner is that the signal was present on 37.5 kHz but peaked at 33.3 kHz. The question, of course, is how precise the beacon actually is.
08-04-2014, 01:08 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2014, 01:26 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Steve Franklin Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:The 'authorities' have apparently admitted that the signal they picked up was at 33.3 KHz rather than 37.5 KHz - which is the specification for the flight recorders. Why the change? Doesn't make sense according to electronics - even if batteries are low. Like every black operation I've studied the NUMEROUS 'chance' anomalies are too numerous to make the event an 'accident' but instead a planned operation - from start to finish - through cover-up. There are SO many strange chance events in this saga....yet another is that the Chinese just happen to have the deepest operating unmanned submersible for imaging/sonar/recovery [7000 m].
Keep in mind that unless the signal is digital and narrowly defined, it will be heard across more than one single exact frequency. A radio signal can be described as a peak, with a leading and a trailing edge, so that what the "authorities" may be trying to say in their technically imprecise manner is that the signal was present on 37.5 kHz but peaked at 33.3 kHz. The question, of course, is how precise the beacon actually is.
It is not a radio frequency, but an acoustic frequency, and both the sending unit and the sensors are highly tuned. Yes, some spread is possible, but 10% is very surprising and odd. These are built to be tuned to 37.5 because it is not found in the ocean outside of human sources - and none of the 'usual' human sources. The specs for the units are available online and rigorous. The peak of the signal should be at or very close to the specs - and the strongest part of the signal.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
