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US/NATO War on Russia
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Polish Death Squads Fighting in Ukraine. CIA Covert Operation?

By Nikolai Malishevski
Global Research, May 28, 2014
Strategic Culture Foundation

http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-deat...on/5384210

Quote:On May 11 a plane arrived at Kiev's airport in strict secrecy; it was met by the airport's military personnel rather than the civilian staff. NATO military uniforms, 500 packages of amphetamines, and containers marked as poisonous substances were unloaded from the plane. By order of the Kiev directorate of the SBU, the fighters, the cargo and the containers of poison were not inspected and left the airport in cars with tinted windows. The cargo was accompanied by CIA agent Richard Michael. Aboard the plane were also fighters from the Right Sector and the Polish private military company ASBS (Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz) Othago, created several years ago by Poland's current Minister of the Interior, B. Sienkiewicz.

According to available data (5), this Polish PMC lost 6 men during a punitive operation in Eastern Ukraine (the remaining casualties among foreign mercenaries working for the junta came from the American PMC Academi and its subsidiary PMC Greystone Limited, which lost 50 and 14 fighters, respectively, as well as the CIA and the FBI, with 25 casualties, 13 of whom were killed).

The Poles have been participating actively in the formation of death squads in Ukraine since September 2013, when Foreign Minister R. Sikorski invited 86 members of the Right Sector to train at the police training center in Legionowo, 23 km from Warsaw. The fighters, who came on the pretext of a university exchange program, were mostly men of around 40; they received a month-long training course in organizing mass protests, erecting barricades, seizing government buildings, street fighting tactics, shooting techniques, including from sniper rifles, etc. The Polish weekly Nie published a photo from Legionowo showing Ukrainian fascists dressed in Nazi uniforms alongside their Polish instructors in civilian clothing.

While the Polish special services were training the future participants of punitive operations, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs made this official statement (02-02-2014):

«We support the hard line taken by the Right Sector… The radical actions of the Right Sector and other militant groups of demonstrators and the use of force by protestors are justified… The Right Sector has taken full responsibility for all the acts of violence during the recent protests. This is an honest position, and we respect it. The politicians have failed at their peacekeeping function. This means that the only acceptable option is the radical actions of the Right Sector. There is no other alternative».

At the same time, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk cautioned President Yanukovich against «disproportionate use of force» against the Maidan. Today Donald Tusk, whose grandfather, Josef Tusk, served in Hitler's Wehrmacht, demands that the Kiev junta deal with the «eastern rebels» harshly, «as with terrorists».

In mid-May Tusk demanded that Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, who considers fascist Ukraine a «challenge to the European Union» refrain from making such statements so as not to divert attention from the fight against the main adversary Russia. But several weeks earlier (04-24-2014), the Polish prime minister stated that Europe must prepare for the disintegration of Ukraine.

«The problem is that Warsaw's eastern policy is to a great degree directed by Polish intelligence, which collaborates closely with American and British intelligence agencies», asserts Leszek Sykulski, head of the Czestochowa Institute of Geopolitics. In early April, CIA director John Brennan visited Kiev. The very next day after his visit, the head of the Kiev regime, Turchynov, announced the beginning of «large-scale antiterrorist operations in connection with events in the Southeast». Not only American, but Polish mercenaries showed up for this operation.

After the head of the CIA, on April 21-22 U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden visited Kiev. Speaking in the Verkhovna Rada, Biden stated that Washington supports the Ukrainian government in the face of «humiliating threats», obviously with Russia in mind. The answer to the question of what the United States needs in eastern Ukraine is simple: The cities which the junta is desperately trying to subjugate are located in the Dniepr-Donets Basin, which has enormous deposits of shale gas. Royal Dutch Shell has already staked a claim on these tracts.

«I would say that the economic interest in this case is what's driving the coup regime in Kiev to launch military actions against its own citizens, because they stand to make a profit from these contracts signed by the previous government», asserts American foreign affairs expert Nebojsa Malic.

Robert Hunter Biden, the son of the U.S. vice president, who has become a frequent visitor to Kiev, was recently appointed to the Board of Directors of the largest private gas producer in Ukraine, Burisma Holdings, which is registered in Cyprus and holds licenses for developing the gas fields of the Dniepr-Donetsk Basin. In April, Devon Archer, a family friend of the U.S. Secretary of State who was the college roommate of Kerry's stepson and a senior advisor during John Kerry's 2004 presidential election campaign, also received a post in the company.

U.S. top officials and their close relatives have a great personal interest in all the countries invaded by American occupation forces, starting back in the days of the wars against Yugoslavia and Iraq. For example Kerry's predecessor as Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, has business in «independent Kosovo», and Biden's predecessor as vice president, Richard Cheney, and his family, as well as yet another U.S. secretary of state, Condoleeza Rice, latched onto Iraq's energy resources through Halliburton and Chevron. The same kinds of interests are appearing in those who serve the interests of Americans in Eastern Europe, as well. For example, Ukraine's ex-Minister of Ecology Mykola Zlochevsky and former president of Poland Aleksander Kwasniewski are on the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings.

One of the potential shale gas fields for which development rights were given to Burisma Holdings is the Yuzivska shale field. Besides Slavyansk and part of neighboring Kramatorsk, with a population of 160,000 people, the tract given to Shell includes the cities of Krasny Luch and Svyatogorsk in the Donetsk region, as well as Balakeya and Izyum in the neighboring Kharkov region. And the shale gas extraction contract is written such that the Ukrainian government is obligated to forcibly take property away from its lawful owners if Shell states that it plans to drill on those lands. The vicinity of Slavyansk has been selected as the location for the drilling of the first gas wells…

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The place where the Ukrainian army is concentrated, supported by the Right Sector, the private punitive battalions of fascist oligarch Igor Kolomoisky and mercenaries from American and Polish PMCs, points directly to one of the main reasons for the punitive operation: that the Kiev regime is serving the business interests of the commanding elite of the U.S. and Poland. It is around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk that the most violent clashes between the punitive forces and the people of the Donets Basin have taken place, while Izyum is the main base for Ukrainian forces participating in the punitive operation.

The following speak of what methods are being used in the punitive operation:

-the attackers' losses, which include attack and transport helicopters, armored vehicles, 122-mm howitzers, and «Grad» rocket launcher systems, a salvo from which is capable of destroying all life in an area of 14.5 hectares,

-bombardment of cities from mortars, as a result of which more civilians are killed than self-defense fighters,

-sniper activities, killing even children,

-the use of helicopters with UN symbols on them for air attacks on Kramatorsk. These helicopters were piloted by Polish mercenaries, as even their Ukrainian colleagues refused to violate international norms of using military equipment bearing United Nations symbols.

All of this can be considered an answer to the question of just what kind of cargo is being hurriedly transported to Ukraine by Polish mercenaries under the supervision of U.S. intelligence, and why the Pole Kwasniewski is on the board of directors of a company for whose activities the way is now being cleared by armed groups of Ukrainian fascists (the «national guard») and American and Polish mercenaries, killing militants and civilians. It seems that the Kiev junta and its Western masters are prepared to resort to any provocations, up to and including using chemical warfare agents on the local population, as happened recently in Syria, and earlier in Iraq, where it was the Poles who specialized in such matters.


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"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

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That's a quite damning report isn't it.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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I'm afraid that in the last 24 hours the much dreaded, but anticipated 'civil war' has begun...if now at a small level and still 'encapsulated' in one city in the East. 35-40 pro-Russian forces [seemingly some local 'irregular', some Chechen highly trained fighters] were killed when the Ukrainian Military took back the airport [second largest in Ukraine] at Donetsk. Now, someone in the pro-Russian forces shot down a helicopter transporting more troops of the Ukrainian Army - all 14 died, using a surface to air missile [not things irregulars would have and proof that Russia is involved!]. More Chechen troops were seen moving toward the airport....so more blood will soon be spilled. I blame BOTH sides and both US/NATO & Russia for playing a cynical and dangerous game here. Negotiations are the only way forward, but I'm rather afraid fighting will be how this plays out. Ukraine needs to become a 'southern Finland' - pledged to NOT join NATO, but be a 'neutral' political state or states between Russia and the 'West' - for now. Russia has good reason to fear NATO facilities being set up in Ukraine; Ukraine has good reason to fear a Russian invasion - overtly or covertly. What a mess. There are MANY Ukrainians here where I live and most all are very worried about what will happen to their country, cities, families, friends - no matter which side they favor. I've seen demonstrations supporting both sides, but that fear is a common factor they both share.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Now, someone in the pro-Russian forces shot down a helicopter transporting more troops of the Ukrainian Army - all 14 died, using a surface to air missile [not things irregulars would have and proof that Russia is involved!]

Locals would have access to the arms depots around the area. I don't see that as proof of Russian involvement at all.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Now, someone in the pro-Russian forces shot down a helicopter transporting more troops of the Ukrainian Army - all 14 died, using a surface to air missile [not things irregulars would have and proof that Russia is involved!]

Locals would have access to the arms depots around the area. I don't see that as proof of Russian involvement at all.

Peter, I would beg to differ. My read of the situation is that Putin would have liked and very much tried to negotiate a settlement. Putin has been trying to earn his way into the good graces of the "West" by playing ball; he wants to be accepted into the world plutocratic order.

The US/NATO NWO juggernaut is seeking to encircle and subdue Russia and China with Ukraine as a significant part of the plan. Another way to say this is that Russia would like to be included in the criminal consortiums running the planet. The decision is that the Russian Federation will not be included. My guess is that the Russian final solution is to leave it crushed and stripped of its wealth.

Back to the Ukraine. There is no one to negotiate with. The eastern and southern Ukrainians know that they fight to survive or they will be savaged. The Saker theorizes the Chechens are being recruited at the request and with the blessing of Putin. My thought is that there will be a lot of "military storage depots" located -- by Chechens.

In short, there is a new "Washington Consensus" with regard to foreign, which has adopted the neo-con world view, and has been acting on it since 9/11. The goal is the full spectrum dominance of the planet under the rule of capital. The One World Plutonomy will not include Russian, except as a target for asset stripping and the imposition of rents.
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Lauren, Magda, others, While the 'West' [US/NATO] may have started this ugly game, now I see both sides playing 'ugly'. There are reliable reports of non-Muslim Chechen Regular fighters [and/or other Russian Regular forces without markings] there, with weaponry that only could be supplied by the Russian Armed Forces. Yes, the Ukrainian military have them too, but there are no verified reports of arms caches being seized inside the Ukraine. Face it - there are NO 'good guys' in this [or any] 'war'. Both sides will spin it with disinformation and it will be hard to tell...but I think I'm reading this correctly, given what we now can know. I'm not saying one side is 'white' and the other 'black'. I'm saying both are wrong and 'black' and this will soon descend into total chaos and a bloodbath unless both sides back off immediately. If the Eastern Ukraine needs to succeed, it needs to do so without battles and without outside warriors. If the rest of the Ukraine wants to proceed and thrive, it needs immediately to NEGOTIATE with those who want out and stop the fighting too. Sadly, I see the Ukraine being played as a chess board by the major powers.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Poroschenko claimed by US as their inside man 2006 https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIE...#efmAZUAZ-
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FB Ali from Pat Lang's blog:

Quote:Vladimir Putin (aka Vlad the Chess Player) has played a good game in Ukraine − so far. With the West playing on the other side he started off in an intrinsically weak position, which worsened considerably when the sudden neocon-engineered coup in Kiev swept his main piece off the board. However, he reacted and regrouped quickly, and prevented his opponents from achieving a surprise victory. By massing troops on Ukraine's border he made the other side pause, and this gave his supporters time to mobilise. In this confused situation he saw a valuable piece temporarily unguarded, and in a smooth and swift operation took over Crimea. The contest over Ukraine continues, but he has already won two significant prizes: Crimea and clarity − clarity on where Russia stands vis-a-vis the West.

He is now manoeuvring to achieve his goal in Ukraine, and has again displayed his skill by adjusting his tactics as the situation has changed. Western propaganda has sought to depict his aim to be to seize Ukraine or, at least, annex the Russian-speaking East of the country. This is quite wrong. For the simple reason that Ukraine is a basket case economically and financially, and if he took over the country (or even a portion of it) Russia would be saddled with the burden of keeping it afloat, as well as having to deal with the many in the population who don't fancy being annexed, plus the likely backlash from the West.

His main goal has always been to stop the neocon-led War Party's move to bring Ukraine into the West's political camp and, ultimately, NATO. He wants Ukraine to remain a politically and militarily neutral buffer state between Russia and NATO, while letting the West pay for the privilege of establishing other ties with it (by supporting it financially).

In pursuit of this goal Putin has changed his tactics as the situation has evolved. He maintained the capability and threat of moving troops into East Ukraine to provide time and opportunity for pro-Russian sentiment to mobilise there, resulting in local activists seizing control of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. With these 'facts' established on the ground, he sought an agreement with the West for a decentralised Ukraine, and appeared to succeed in Geneva in mid-April. However, the War Party and their Ukrainian clients balked at this and torpedoed the plan. Putin then again ratchetted up pressure by holding new military manoeuvres near the border. In early May, in concert with Angela Merkel, he made another effort for an OSCE sponsored political dialogue between the Kiev authorities and the Eastern separatists, but the former would not talk to the latter.

Putin was now left with just one unpalatable option: back the separatists who had seized control in the Donbas region, and then use this as a bargaining chip to achieve his goal. This would saddle him with the responsibility of sustaining and defending them, while exposing Russia to much more severe Western sanctions. It could also lead to an escalating confrontation with the West that could spiral out of control, with potentially devastating consequences.

However, events soon presented him with another, and better, alternative, namely, that the oligarch Petro Poroshenko appeared set to win the Ukrainian presidential election. He had dealt with Ukrainian oligarchs often before, and knew how they could be bought and manipulated. It is also quite possible that he was given suitable assurances by some of the oligarchs supporting Poroshenko (such as Rinat Akhmetov and Dmitri Firtash), and perhaps Poroshenko himself, who had already publicly committed to Ukraine not joining NATO.

The question he had to consider was whether he would have sufficient leverage to make the oligarchs toe the line (or fulfil any assurances they had given him). He appears to have calculated that, based on their business interests, he had. Russia and the former Soviet republics (still under Russian influence) are the main markets for Chocolate King Poroshenko's products; he even has a factory in Russia. Steel magnate Rinat Akhmetov, Ukraine's richest man, has his business empire in the Donbas region and is dependent on Russian goodwill for his business to survive, much less prosper. Quite apart from their personal stakes, the oligarchs cannot ignore the many economic and industrial ties that bind the Ukraine to Russia, in addition to its critical dependence on Russian gas supplies.

He also decided to maintain the leverage given him by the breakaway of the Donbass from Kiev. While removing the support provided to them by his threat of military action, he appears to have reinforced them by the transfer of advanced weaponry as well as allowing Russian volunteers to join them (some of whom were killed in the recent fighting).

Another big plus in this new option was that the West would have to bail out Ukraine and support it financially (which would also enable it to pay off loans to Russia for gas already supplied and also pay for future gas supplies). It would also remove the threat of further sanctions by the West. The signal that Putin had adopted this method of achieving his goal was his announcement on May 19 that he was ordering the Russian troops deployed on the border back to their bases. (On the same day Rinat Akhmetov, who had maintained a studious silence while the separatists took over the region in which his industrial empire is based, came out strongly against them).

Poroshenko has to reassure the West and the political parties supporting the present Kiev regime (especially the far-right ones) of his resolve; that is why he has come out so strongly against the Eastern separatists in his recent statements. But the current increased military action against the separatists is being launched by the present regime, in which the security and defence posts are almost all held by the far-right Pravy Sektor and Svoboda parties. Poroshenko assumes the office of president on June 7; if he does desire to resolve the separatist issue through negotiation rather than force (a pre-requisite to coming to some understanding with Russia) the first signs will be the removal of these far-right appointees and the stopping of military action soon after he becomes president.

The takeover of Crimea by Russia has been portrayed in the West as just an opportunistic land grab. It is much more than that. Crimea has always been considered by Russians as a part of Russia that was lost to the Ukraine in the catastrophic dissolution of the USSR. Recovery of this part of Mother Russia, whose soil is dyed with Russian blood, has deep symbolism for all Russians. There is also the strategic aspect of control of the Black Sea, which exposes Russia's 'underbelly'; the Russian fleet based in Sevastopol was critical to this. Having to rely on treaties and Ukrainian goodwill for this was a major strategic concern for Russia, especially when the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO became a serious possibility. The takeover solved this problem as well.

The Ukraine crisis has also provided Vladimir Putin with clarity on Russia's standing with the West, and what he could expect in the future. Ever since coming to power in 2000 Putin has tried to restore Russia to the status of a respected member of the international community, and particularly as a part of the West. In this behalf he has sought to have Russia treated as an equal by the US and other major Western powers. In spite of setbacks, he has persisted in this endeavour. For example, he did not make a fuss when, in spite of the assurances given at the time of German reunification, NATO began moving eastwards. In 2011 he joined the West in voting in the Security Council for the 'no fly' zone over Libya, only to feel tricked when the West expanded this mandate into military intervention. His most recent attempt was the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi when he spent lavishly in order to showcase the new Russia, only for the games to be shunned by most Western leaders, with the Western media indulging in much negative coverage.

This new clarity on how Russia was regarded by the West has caused Putin to make a major readjustment in his strategic thinking and calculations. It was this that led to his recent wide-ranging economic agreements with China. He is also reaching out to other countries that seek to free themselves from being overly dependent on the USA, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and India. He will likely foster closer relations with countries that are at odds with the West, such as Iran, Venezuela and Syria. He is trying to set up an alternative financial system with China and others that is not dependent on the US dollar. (In spite of this, Putin and Lavrov still continue to use the old formulation: "our Western partners"; perhaps they relish the irony).

The Ukraine game continues, but Vladimir Putin has already gained two valuable prizes − Crimea, and clarity on where Russia stands with respect to the West.

The War Party has also achieved something: it now has in Russia, if not yet an enemy, at least an opponent.

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Allen Thomson said...
> He wants Ukraine to remain a politically and militarily neutral buffer state between Russia and NATO, while letting the West pay for the privilege of establishing other ties with it (by supporting it financially).
I'm way out of my depth on this stuff, but why shouldn't that be an acceptable outcome for the West (however defined)? How it would play internally in Ukraine, I haven't a clue.

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Allen Thomson said...
> Steel magnate Rinat Akhmetov, Ukraine's richest man, has his business empire in the Donbas region
Also Mississippi. Google "Severstal".

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Haralambos said...
Dear Brigadier Ali and all,
Thank you for your astute reading of this, which is far more than I could provide. As ever, your posts offer those here important background. As an American who has lived in Greece for the better part of 36 years and lived through the Chernobyl meltdown in 1986 here, the fall of the the Soviet block, both Greece's and Portugal's entry into the then EEC, I have witnessed a fair bit on the ground, but not in a military role. I have followed the "ructions" in the Ukraine, Georgia, and Chechnya as they happened thanks to the Internet, and several weeks or a month ago someone posted a piece here (I believe) wondering "Who is the Saker?". I have been reading him daily for more than a month. This is his take today or yesterday (depending on time zones) I believe: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014...czulu.html
I believe your analysis and his coincide on many key points. I would welcome any and all who might be sable to shed more light on this ever-changing situation.
Respectfully,


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VietnamVet said...
Brigadier General Ali,
Yes. At this point Vladimir Putin has met all the challenges and appears to be ahead with the annexation of Crimea and the Gas Deal with China. But, the game for power is not over.
We need a modern Shakespeare to illuminate the overlords of the American Empire and how they wield power. Thomas Friedman and the Corporate Media are court jesters preening their rulers and misdirecting the audience. At face value in Mainstream Media, the Ukrainians had a successful revolt and are heroically subduing Vladimir Putin's few remaining lackeys.
The truth is that ultra-nationalists with American help overthrew the Ukraine's elected government. Right Sector goons are roaming through the East killing civilians. There are reports of plane loads of Ukrainian mercenaries who were fighting Assad in Syria have flown back and now are killing ethnic Russians and reluctant Ukrainian Army conscripts in the Eastern Providences. A civil war is underway on Russia's border.
The neo-liberal Western Plutocrats and the neo-conservatives are intent on destabilizing Russia and looting it again. Money will be spent to provide more arms and more mercenaries. The question is how long and how intense the civil war will get before Russia has to invade to protect fellow Russians. If Russia invades, NATO will counter invade Western Ukraine. NATO exercises are already scheduled there this summer. Russia and NATO are one incident away from a shooting war. To date, not one nuclear power has got in a shooting war with another because once started it will escalate into a nuclear exchange.

If mankind survives the Nuclear Winter, Vladimir Putin and Barrack Obama will always be remembered as the Horrors who destroyed the North Hemisphere.

Reply 29 May 2014 at 08:38 PM
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lauren, Magda, others, While the 'West' [US/NATO] may have started this ugly game, now I see both sides playing 'ugly'. There are reliable reports of non-Muslim Chechen Regular fighters [and/or other Russian Regular forces without markings] there, with weaponry that only could be supplied by the Russian Armed Forces. Yes, the Ukrainian military have them too, but there are no verified reports of arms caches being seized inside the Ukraine. Face it - there are NO 'good guys' in this [or any] 'war'. Both sides will spin it with disinformation and it will be hard to tell...but I think I'm reading this correctly, given what we now can know. I'm not saying one side is 'white' and the other 'black'. I'm saying both are wrong and 'black' and this will soon descend into total chaos and a bloodbath unless both sides back off immediately. If the Eastern Ukraine needs to succeed, it needs to do so without battles and without outside warriors. If the rest of the Ukraine wants to proceed and thrive, it needs immediately to NEGOTIATE with those who want out and stop the fighting too. Sadly, I see the Ukraine being played as a chess board by the major powers.
My general reading from what I hear from some in the area is huge disappointment with Putin for not coming to their rescue. He hasn't brought in the tanks and brigades to liberate the east from the fascists.We'd hear all about it from the US satellites if the borders were breeched. Certainly there have been Russian volunteers and Chechens too. How are they getting in? Doesn't the Ukraine still control their borders? Also I don't really see this a west vs the Ukraine so much as the EU and the US and the Ukraine. The EU and the US don't have exactly the same interests in this. More like the US has been using the lever of the EU to pull Ukraine away from Russia. And some Ukrainians have fallen for it too. A disfunctional broke and broken state is not exactly a prize for the EU. Probably the US way of fucking them over too. Two birds with one stone. I think the US is fine with a civil war and it being split. The part they can keep will join NATO and brings them closer to Russia and it will still leave a destabilised rump. Good for arms dealers as always and can be used to resurrect the ghosts of the cold war. Glory days for arms dealers. Keeps Putin on the back foot. Keeps the EU on the back foot as they have to deal with all sorts of other separatists wanting to split in Spain and Scotland and other places instead of ruling authoritatively from Brussels. Which admittedly the policies of several European countries are doing a good job of that anyway. But still beneficial to the US.
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