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Operation forty pic
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07-07-2014, 05:01 PM
Peter, this is all very good information, but what the hell does it have to do with the man who's covering his face who happens to be FRANK STURGIS! Ugh!
I'm beginning to believe that the ole cliche is right! You can't teach old dogs new tricks!
07-07-2014, 05:04 PM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Seymour was 26 in 1963 [although Tosh and some others now claim this photo was taken some years after 1963], but the guy in the 'Barry and the Boys photo' looks much older, so it almost surely isn't Seymour! I never said it was Seymour, I've already told you it's Gonzalez, Sturgis' Watergate buddy, who Sturgis has his arm around, wow! I can't believe that Hopsicker and so many really know who's in this photo, but yet refuse to take my word for it why? 
07-07-2014, 05:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2014, 05:51 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Seymour was 26 in 1963 [although Tosh and some others now claim this photo was taken some years after 1963], but the guy in the 'Barry and the Boys photo' looks much older, so it almost surely isn't Seymour! I posted some background information taken from various sources on Operation-40. My post about the age of Seymour in or near 1963 was NOT targeted at you; however, you seem to feel this thread is yours?!..or posts directed only at you?! I think not to both. This is a public Forum. By the way, if you don't want to believe Plumlee, fine; but why should we believe you about who is in the front-right or who is hiding his face?! We are hopefully all working to expose the truth. Many lies have been and still are told by covert operatives [or retold by those who were told by them - or involved in Mockingbird/Sunstein/disinformation-type operations]. Others have made honest mistakes. State your evidence - show your compared photos, faces or facts; but, whatever, you'll just have to learn to deal with other people's opinions and research - which might not agree with your own. I worked with Plumlee on a face-to-face basis for years and have many photos of him from that time period. From the moment I saw that photo to this moment I thought/think it is likely Plumlee - which Plumlee confirms. That is not proof - that is my 'take' and Plumlee's statement. If you have another view, fine, but present your evidence and then accept that not everyone is going to fall on the knees and realize they were wrong and you are, somehow, correct. One last point....unless I can't read any more or am very confused by your posts, you didn't say it was Gonzalez, you said it was Droller/Bender!...making your view of who you believe it is ever more 'murky'.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
07-07-2014, 05:42 PM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Scott Kaiser Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Seymour was 26 in 1963 [although Tosh and some others now claim this photo was taken some years after 1963], but the guy in the 'Barry and the Boys photo' looks much older, so it almost surely isn't Seymour! If this is TRULY a "public Forum". Then why won't the person who keeps hijacking my posts come forward? I wonder is it because they are NOT person enough too? And, trust me Mr. Peter, if I was trying to hijack this thread I'd just simply tell you I'm taking over, but that's NOT the case, what I'm truly trying to do, is make the corrections to the already messed up mistakes! Lets NOt add anymore fuel to the fire by adding more disinformation.
07-07-2014, 05:50 PM
Quote:One last point....unless I can't read any more or am very confused by your posts, you didn't say it was Gonzalez, you said it was Droller/Bender!...making your view of who you believe it is ever more 'murky'. I now understand why the research community can not get their facts straight or at the very least it's the few researchers that don't read carefully, just a min. ago you were addressing Seymour, Hopsicker says it's Seymour, you simply are posting information that I already know is incorrect so I AGAIN said it's Gonzalez, now, the person sitting directly in-front of Sturgis with the GLASSES on his face is Bender! Got it? Get it? Good! Oh, and BTW! it's NOT my view, it's a fact!
07-07-2014, 06:01 PM
Scott Kaiser Wrote:If this is TRULY a "public Forum". Then why won't the person who keeps hijacking my posts come forward? I wonder is it because they are NOT person enough too? Since you seem to want to have your linen laundered in public; of late, you have had one thread you started deleted by the moderators [likely before others saw it and certainly before anyone replied]. Additionally, two of your posts on this thread were deleted, after discussion among the moderators, as the posts infringed upon the rules of the forum.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
07-07-2014, 06:08 PM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Scott Kaiser Wrote:If this is TRULY a "public Forum". Then why won't the person who keeps hijacking my posts come forward? I wonder is it because they are NOT person enough too? I didn't know you do laundry? Please go easy on the starch, now. I'm assuming the only infringement made against the forums rules is the fact I said you received an "F" on your report card? I'm sorry for using the letter "F". My apologies to the monitors here.
07-07-2014, 06:16 PM
Quote:By the way, if you don't want to believe Plumlee, fine; but why should we believe you about who is in the front-right or who is hiding his face?! Um? Because I'm telling you the truth, and I've already had this discussion with folks who are actually IN that photo, and I've spoken to people who knows the people in that photo, and because I actually did my homework, and because I am bonafide to tell you who's in that photo, anything else?
07-07-2014, 06:47 PM
If you want to conduct some real research without me telling you what to do, but rather make a suggestion why not contact Hopsicker or better yet ask Felix why Felix was suing Hopsicker for publishing that photo? Doller never liked having his picture taken, is that why he's not looking directly into the camera? Perhaps. But, I'm not going to sit here and play these games with you or anyone else who doesn't want to believe what I'm telling them, I really don't care, as far as I'm concerned the disinformation may continue, I've already said my piece. And, it is what it is.
You may do your own research, ask and talk to whoever you like, I'm not telling you what to do one way or the other, I don't care, but from now on, when I see a mistake, or I'm absolutely positive of what I'm talking about. I'll let you know. 
08-07-2014, 02:19 AM
Hi Scott, who are you saying the people at the table are and why you think so? And who they aren't and perhaps why not if you have that information? Clockwise from the left hand side.
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