Can't find diagram of shots to jfk from conspiracy point of view?

[Bob Prudhomme]

which begs the question, why are the conspirators so smart as to remove frames and yet so stupid as to leave in the two frames of backward head snapping that have convinced 50% of people that the prevailing theory is hogwash?

Hi Drew

I believe this one is surprisingly easy to explain. The reason most people believe JFK was driven "back and to the left" is because this is what Jim Garrison told us happened, and most people have not thought it out beyond this.

In my perspective, viewing the Zapruder film, I see a very short and brief recoil of JFK`s head at the time of the head shot, something I have seen many times hunting. I then see JFK`s limp form, stiffened by the back brace, falling toward Jackie. I do not believe the explosive force of the bullet arresting in his skull was capable of driving him over onto the seat.

It may never have occurred to the conspirators that JFK`s lifeless form falling to the left would be interpreted as Garrison interpreted it.

[Drew Phipps]

It is the "short and brief recoil" that is difficult for the Warren Commission's conclusion.

[Bob Prudhomme]

It is the "short and brief recoil" that is difficult for the Warren Commission's conclusion.

I agree.

[Gordon Gray]

which begs the question, why are the conspirators so smart as to remove frames and yet so stupid as to leave in the two frames of backward head snapping that have convinced 50% of people that the prevailing theory is hogwash?

There were a number of things that needed to be obscured in those few frames, not the least of which was the Limo stop. Also the blowout to the back of the head had to be covered along with debris being ejected backwards, and a frontal wound painted in. Perhaps what we see is the best they could manage in the brief time the film was at Hawkeye Works. If there were in fact two head movements as I think, then the Limo stop would be most apparent during the frames where the president is being thrust forward from the initial rear hit.

[William Charleston]

Seems very unlikely to me that a separate bullet that transited merely the wrist would impart more of a momentum change in Conally's torso than even a whole bullet thru the chest could have possibly imparted. What you are trying to suggest sounds like handball players who are knocked backwards while playing because of the contact between the hand and the ball.

I am not trying to suggest anything, I am stating that:

1. The time between shots in the Zapruder film matches the times between shots in the latest analysis of the acoustical evidence. That proves statistically that the acoustical evidence is valid.

2. Knowing when shots were fired by using BOTH the Z film and the acoustical evidence produces a unique scenario because just like any other "theory". In the acoustical analysis scenario, you have some chance of knowing where EACH of the shots was fired from because the analysis using echo correlation has to know approximately where each shot was fired from AND where the microphone was.

John Connally at Z224 starts his first reaction to a shot. That is 4.8 seconds BEFORE JFK is shot in the head which is when the acoustical analysis indicates the 2nd shot was fired from the TSBD. John Connally then snaps to the left then begins his turn to the right to look where he thought the shot came from. John Connally was not wounded at this point in the back, he only had a trivial left thigh wound caused by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. John Connally has no blood on his shirt that can be seen from Z224 all the way to JFK's head shot, NONE.

The Z313 shot from the left front and the last shot from the TSBD were 0.7 seconds apart. The Z 313 shot knocked JFK's head out of the way, the last shot from the TSBD missed JFK' s head and at Z325, we see John Connally violently thrown forward when TSBD shot #3 hits him in the back, exits his chest, hits his right wrist. Connally's right wrist is higher than it was earlier.

This scenario explains many things the SBT and other guesses/lies can't:

Nellie and John said he turned after JFK was first wounded. He turned to the right and was turning back to look over his left shoulder when he was bent over by the force of the bullet to his back.

It is hard to comprehend that John Connally could turn to look over his right shoulder with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. Bugliosi and others argue it is possible. OK, but is it reasonable Connally turned with a serious chest wound from Z224 until Z325? The answer is it is not reasonable but people believe it only because the government "investigations" said it happened. Some of them lied and some of them were conned into buying into the biggest lie in history.

The chest wound and right wrist wound to Connally are reasonably matched but the left thigh wound is not. It was caused by a bullet fragment.

CE399 found on a stretcher had to have been planted. It was not found on neither JFK's or Connally's stretcher according to the orderly who found CE399. But the Warren Comm. chose to believe the orderly was mistaken just like they chose not to believe the press reporter who said he talked with Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital (which makes Jack Ruby a very likely suspect to have planted CE399). The Warren Comm. didn't believe the reporter either.

For that matter, the Warren Comm chose not to believe the Connally's when they described his turn after JFK was first wounded. But the Connally's also said that John Connally was wounded in the back and then JFK was shot in the head but if you look at the Z film, Connally was facing forward when JFK was shot in the head, he did NOT see JFK wounded and therefore did know the time JFK was wounded. The goverment interegators argued with both of the Connally's. i believe they coerced the witnesses to saying JFK was shot in the head after Connally was shot in the back.

How did they hide the Connally back wound time so long?

ANSWER: Ever JFK researcher bought the lie that Connally to be close to the TSBD when the shot hit him in the back because the angle had to be down to allow the bullet to hit his left thigh. With that constraint, nobody believed it was possible for Connally to have been shot in the back much later than Z230 or so......

It's easy to fool Americans, all you have to is fool the press. Those who disagree will be called conspiracy theorists and other demeaning terms. We can't know the truth until the media and the government tells us the answers, until then, shut up.

To figure out what happened, you must question everything the US government provided as evidence and conclusions from their "investigations." Only use evidence the US government could not have forged and the scenario you come up with will mostly be consistent with what the witnesses said happened. At that point, you can see US government lies everywhere as you compare the correct shooting scenario with the US government fairy tales and lies.

[Drew Phipps]

In the interest of covering new ground instead of stuff we've already covered:

1. Where was the microphone?

2. Please describe the trajectory of the bullet fragment that you say missed Connally's torso but managed to hit his thigh, which I'm supposing you will conceed is below and forward of his torso.

[Gordon Gray]

Seems very unlikely to me that a separate bullet that transited merely the wrist would impart more of a momentum change in Conally's torso than even a whole bullet thru the chest could have possibly imparted. What you are trying to suggest sounds like handball players who are knocked backwards while playing because of the contact between the hand and the ball.

I am not trying to suggest anything, I am stating that:

1. The time between shots in the Zapruder film matches the times between shots in the latest analysis of the acoustical evidence. That proves statistically that the acoustical evidence is valid.

2. Knowing when shots were fired by using BOTH the Z film and the acoustical evidence produces a unique scenario because just like any other "theory". In the acoustical analysis scenario, you have some chance of knowing where EACH of the shots was fired from because the analysis using echo correlation has to know approximately where each shot was fired from AND where the microphone was.

John Connally at Z224 starts his first reaction to a shot. That is 4.8 seconds BEFORE JFK is shot in the head which is when the acoustical analysis indicates the 2nd shot was fired from the TSBD. John Connally then snaps to the left then begins his turn to the right to look where he thought the shot came from. John Connally was not wounded at this point in the back, he only had a trivial left thigh wound caused by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. John Connally has no blood on his shirt that can be seen from Z224 all the way to JFK's head shot, NONE.

The Z313 shot from the left front and the last shot from the TSBD were 0.7 seconds apart. The Z 313 shot knocked JFK's head out of the way, the last shot from the TSBD missed JFK' s head and at Z325, we see John Connally violently thrown forward when TSBD shot #3 hits him in the back, exits his chest, hits his right wrist. Connally's right wrist is higher than it was earlier.

This scenario explains many things the SBT and other guesses/lies can't:

Nellie and John said he turned after JFK was first wounded. He turned to the right and was turning back to look over his left shoulder when he was bent over by the force of the bullet to his back.

It is hard to comprehend that John Connally could turn to look over his right shoulder with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. Bugliosi and others argue it is possible. OK, but is it reasonable Connally turned with a serious chest wound from Z224 until Z325? The answer is it is not reasonable but people believe it only because the government "investigations" said it happened. Some of them lied and some of them were conned into buying into the biggest lie in history.

The chest wound and right wrist wound to Connally are reasonably matched but the left thigh wound is not. It was caused by a bullet fragment.

CE399 found on a stretcher had to have been planted. It was not found on neither JFK's or Connally's stretcher according to the orderly who found CE399. But the Warren Comm. chose to believe the orderly was mistaken just like they chose not to believe the press reporter who said he talked with Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital (which makes Jack Ruby a very likely suspect to have planted CE399). The Warren Comm. didn't believe the reporter either.

For that matter, the Warren Comm chose not to believe the Connally's when they described his turn after JFK was first wounded. But the Connally's also said that John Connally was wounded in the back and then JFK was shot in the head but if you look at the Z film, Connally was facing forward when JFK was shot in the head, he did NOT see JFK wounded and therefore did know the time JFK was wounded. The goverment interegators argued with both of the Connally's. i believe they coerced the witnesses to saying JFK was shot in the head after Connally was shot in the back.

How did they hide the Connally back wound time so long?

ANSWER: Ever JFK researcher bought the lie that Connally to be close to the TSBD when the shot hit him in the back because the angle had to be down to allow the bullet to hit his left thigh. With that constraint, nobody believed it was possible for Connally to have been shot in the back much later than Z230 or so......

It's easy to fool Americans, all you have to is fool the press. Those who disagree will be called conspiracy theorists and other demeaning terms. We can't know the truth until the media and the government tells us the answers, until then, shut up.

To figure out what happened, you must question everything the US government provided as evidence and conclusions from their "investigations." Only use evidence the US government could not have forged and the scenario you come up with will mostly be consistent with what the witnesses said happened. At that point, you can see US government lies everywhere as you compare the correct shooting scenario with the US government fairy tales and lies.

How does one explain Connolly's reaction Z 230 -240. He as turned from looking right, to facing forward as he himself has said, and then his shoulder is driven down, he lurches back to his right again, and begins to double up. His mouth opens, his cheeks puff, and his hair flies up. Looks a lot like someone being shot in the back to me.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Seems very unlikely to me that a separate bullet that transited merely the wrist would impart more of a momentum change in Conally's torso than even a whole bullet thru the chest could have possibly imparted. What you are trying to suggest sounds like handball players who are knocked backwards while playing because of the contact between the hand and the ball.

I am not trying to suggest anything, I am stating that:

1. The time between shots in the Zapruder film matches the times between shots in the latest analysis of the acoustical evidence. That proves statistically that the acoustical evidence is valid.

2. Knowing when shots were fired by using BOTH the Z film and the acoustical evidence produces a unique scenario because just like any other "theory". In the acoustical analysis scenario, you have some chance of knowing where EACH of the shots was fired from because the analysis using echo correlation has to know approximately where each shot was fired from AND where the microphone was.

John Connally at Z224 starts his first reaction to a shot. That is 4.8 seconds BEFORE JFK is shot in the head which is when the acoustical analysis indicates the 2nd shot was fired from the TSBD. John Connally then snaps to the left then begins his turn to the right to look where he thought the shot came from. John Connally was not wounded at this point in the back, he only had a trivial left thigh wound caused by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. John Connally has no blood on his shirt that can be seen from Z224 all the way to JFK's head shot, NONE.

The Z313 shot from the left front and the last shot from the TSBD were 0.7 seconds apart. The Z 313 shot knocked JFK's head out of the way, the last shot from the TSBD missed JFK' s head and at Z325, we see John Connally violently thrown forward when TSBD shot #3 hits him in the back, exits his chest, hits his right wrist. Connally's right wrist is higher than it was earlier.

This scenario explains many things the SBT and other guesses/lies can't:

Nellie and John said he turned after JFK was first wounded. He turned to the right and was turning back to look over his left shoulder when he was bent over by the force of the bullet to his back.

It is hard to comprehend that John Connally could turn to look over his right shoulder with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. Bugliosi and others argue it is possible. OK, but is it reasonable Connally turned with a serious chest wound from Z224 until Z325? The answer is it is not reasonable but people believe it only because the government "investigations" said it happened. Some of them lied and some of them were conned into buying into the biggest lie in history.

The chest wound and right wrist wound to Connally are reasonably matched but the left thigh wound is not. It was caused by a bullet fragment.

CE399 found on a stretcher had to have been planted. It was not found on neither JFK's or Connally's stretcher according to the orderly who found CE399. But the Warren Comm. chose to believe the orderly was mistaken just like they chose not to believe the press reporter who said he talked with Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital (which makes Jack Ruby a very likely suspect to have planted CE399). The Warren Comm. didn't believe the reporter either.

For that matter, the Warren Comm chose not to believe the Connally's when they described his turn after JFK was first wounded. But the Connally's also said that John Connally was wounded in the back and then JFK was shot in the head but if you look at the Z film, Connally was facing forward when JFK was shot in the head, he did NOT see JFK wounded and therefore did know the time JFK was wounded. The goverment interegators argued with both of the Connally's. i believe they coerced the witnesses to saying JFK was shot in the head after Connally was shot in the back.

How did they hide the Connally back wound time so long?

ANSWER: Ever JFK researcher bought the lie that Connally to be close to the TSBD when the shot hit him in the back because the angle had to be down to allow the bullet to hit his left thigh. With that constraint, nobody believed it was possible for Connally to have been shot in the back much later than Z230 or so......

It's easy to fool Americans, all you have to is fool the press. Those who disagree will be called conspiracy theorists and other demeaning terms. We can't know the truth until the media and the government tells us the answers, until then, shut up.

To figure out what happened, you must question everything the US government provided as evidence and conclusions from their "investigations." Only use evidence the US government could not have forged and the scenario you come up with will mostly be consistent with what the witnesses said happened. At that point, you can see US government lies everywhere as you compare the correct shooting scenario with the US government fairy tales and lies.

The main problem I see with your explanation is that the back wound and wrist wound suffered by JBC were NOT reasonably matched, and I have a great deal of difficulty seeing how they were made by the same bullet. Don't feel badly about this. This is basically the same thing that makes the Single Bullet Theory an impossibility.

To understand what I am saying, please look at the following drawings:







The first two drawings depict a bullet path that would have the bullet striking the side of the wrist. As the bullet passed between the radius and ulna bones of the forearm, after striking the radius bone full on, these drawings depict an impossibility.

The final drawing depicts the bullet striking the palm or volar side of the wrist and exiting the dorsal aspect or back of the wrist. As medical testimony to the WC clearly states the bullet struck the dorsal aspect (back) of the wrist and exited the palm side of the wrist, this drawing, too, depicts an impossibility.

To gain even further understanding of this basic flaw in the SBT, please look at the x-ray of JBC's wrist wound.



This is the x-ray of the bullet wound in JBC's right forearm, as viewed from the underside. JBC's right thumb can be seen in the upper right portion of the x-ray. As can be plainly seen, the bullet squarely struck the back side of the radius bone, without penetrating it. Magically, it did not stop there but, somehow, moved laterally a good inch, to the space between the radius and ulna bones, before continuing its journey to JBC's left thigh.

While it is a great mystery that this bullet did not go right through the radius bone (in your theory and the SBT), the greatest mystery, to me, is how the bullet was able to strike the back of the radius bone after exiting JBC's chest. Looking again at the drawings, and I recommend trying this on yourself, as well, you can see that it is impossible to rotate the arm back far enough to be able to present the back side of the wrist to a bullet exiting the chest just below the right nipple. Partial rotations of the wrist that would involve the bullet glancing off of the radius bone don't make sense, either, as the bullet would then hit the ulna bone, instead of passing between the bones. As can be seen in the x-ray, the ulna bone is unscratched.


To make things even worse for the possibility of one bullet inflicting both wounds, here is an enlargement of frame z230 of the Zapruder film:



See how high JBC is holding his hat in his right hand? How did a bullet exiting below his right nipple manage to hit the back of his wrist?


Here is an even larger blowup of z230:

[Lauren Johnson]

Bob, in the x-ray of the wrist, the white dots are metal fragments are the not? Has in LNer tried to explain those fragments from the nearly pristine CE399?

Sorry, a little off-topic.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Bob, in the x-ray of the wrist, the white dots are metal fragments are the not? Has in LNer tried to explain those fragments from the nearly pristine CE399?

Sorry, a little off-topic.

No problem, Lauren. There are two ways of explaining those fragments.

If a full metal jacket bullet, such as the nearly pristine CE 399, left these fragments, it did so because there is a 4.5 mm diameter opening in the base of the copper alloy jacket of a Carcano 6.5mm FMJ bullet. The lead core of the bullet can be seen through this opening. This opening acts as a sort of "pressure relief valve" in the event the FMJ bullet should become deformed, as, in most cases, the space inside the jacket becomes smaller as the bullet deforms, and internal hydraulic pressure inside the bullet can rise to the point the bullet will rupture. As the whole point of a military FMJ bullet is to make it a non-expanding, non-fragmenting "humane" bullet, rupturing of the bullet jacket would have the total opposite effect and cause the bullet to make a horrific wound. As the base of CE 399 is slightly flattened, it was put forth by the LN that a tiny portion of the lead core extruded from the base as fragments.

However, lead extruding under pressure from the base of a 6.5mm bullet, through a 4.5 mm hole (much like toothpaste), usually comes out in the shape of 4.5 mm diameter flakes. None of the fragments in JBC's x-ray, except for one, are anywhere near that large.

The second way tiny fragments, such as those seen in the x-ray, could have been deposited is if the bullet that struck the radius bone was a hollow point frangible bullet. The frangible bullets made for the Carcano were filled with granular lead particles very similar in size to those seen in the x-ray. As there was also sand in the base of the bullet jacket, the particles in the x-ray may actually be particles of sand.

I will be discussing this very thing in greater depth in the next post on "Inexplicable Wounds made by Special Bullets".