The JFK Horsemen: motorcycle patrolmen on Elm Street

[Paul Rigby]

Published on Sep 29, 2014

This simply a superb presentation was broadcast on The New JFK Show #27 by Dr. Jim Fetzer and Gary King on the Revere Radio Network. The detail Larry Rivera presented this information about the Motorcycle riders is remarkable, as is the audio clips provide great supporting evidence.

The Jimmy Courson story is a great capstone to the multiple strands of police officer testimony supporting (1) shots from the front; (2) the limousine slowing down or completely stopping; and (3) film alteration after the fact. In the case of Courson's account, there is no danger of this being "hearsay" evidence: he is captured on camera telling his story at the time of the 50th anniversary.

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[Albert Doyle]

There can be no doubt from this collection of statements that the limousine slowed to a near stop for a period of 5-6 seconds. Since the Zapruder Film doesn't show this you can assume it was seriously forged. Therefore the Zapruder Film is unreliable for evidence. It is, however, very reliable as evidence for a conspiracy.


Gunshot science shows a force capable of sending skull pieces flying out of the limousine is one that could not possibly result in any 1500 gram brain remaining afterwards. This is clear irrefutable proof of a conspiracy that can't be argued.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Paul

Did they discuss Chaney riding ahead of the limo to inform the occupants of the lead car of the assassination? This is another thing not seen in the Z film.

[Paul Rigby]

Paul

Did they discuss Chaney riding ahead of the limo to inform the occupants of the lead car of the assassination? This is another thing not seen in the Z film.

Not that I noticed, Bob, but I was distracted for a portion of it, so that shouldn't be taken as definitive.

[Drew Phipps]

At 2.53 in the video there's a shot of the motorcade on the Stemmons Freeway where the presidential limo has passed Curry in the lead car. Of the "4 Horsemen" none of them are inpostition. Only 2 motorcycle officers are visible well behind the limo and the lead car. I suspect that nobody "caught up to Curry" till after this photo.

AT 16:50 the speaker talks briefly about Cheney and says if there's time , they will get into that.

Segment at 20 minutes is about Cheney.

35:25 DPD Jackson says Secret Service guys ran past the limo with thier guns drawn.

Wasn't Cheney the officer that ran up the hill on foot with his gun drawn? Wasn't Jackson, he rode his bike partway up the hill.

[Bob Prudhomme]

There is sworn testimony from the occupants of the lead car, including Chief of Police Curry, SS Agent Winston Lawson and SS Agent Forrest Sorrels, that a motorcycle cop rode ahead of the limo to inform the occupants of the lead car of the assassination.

From the WC Testimony of Jesse Curry:

"Mr. CURRY - I said what was that, was that a firecracker, or someone said this, I don't recall whether it was me or someone else, and from the report I couldn't tell whether it was coming from the railroad yard or whether it was coming from behind but I said over the radio, I said, "Get someone up in the railroad yard and check."
And then about this time, I believe it was motorcycle Officer Chaney rode up beside of me and looking back in the rear view mirror I could see some commotion in the President's car and after this there had been two more reports, but these other two reports I could tell were coming behind instead of from the railroad yards."

SA Winston Lawson Report:

"At the corner of Houston and Elm Streets I verified with Chief Curry that we were about five minutes from the Trade Mart and gave this signal over my portable White House Communications radio. We were just approaching a railroad overpass and I checked to see if a police officer was in position there and that no one was directly over our path. I noticed a police officer but also noticed a few persons on the bridge and made motions to have these persons removed from over our path. As the Lead Car was passing under this bridge I heard the first loud, sharp report and in more rapid succession two more sounds like gunfire. I could see persons to the left of the motorcade vehicles running away. I noticed Agent Hickey standing up in the follow-up car with the automatic weapon and first thought he had fired at someone. Both the President's car and our Lead Car rapidly accelerated almost simultaneously. I heard a report over the two-way radio that we should proceed to the nearest hospital. I noticed Agent Hill hanging on to the rear of the President's vehicle. A motorcycle escort officer pulled alongside our Lead Car and said the President had been shot. Chief Curry gave a signal over his radio for police to converge on the area of the incident. I requested Chief Curry to have the hospital contacted that we were on the way. Our Lead Car assisted the motorcycles in escorting the President's vehicle to Parkland Hospital."

From the WC Testimony of SA Winston Lawson:

"Mr. DULLES. What was the lead car doing at this time?
Mr. LAWSON. The car that I was in, sir?
Mr. DULLES. I thought you were in the second car.
Mr. STERN. The pilot car.
Mr. DULLES. The pilot car, not the lead car.
Mr. LAWSON. The pilot car was up ahead of us, so appeared other things I recall noting a police officer pulled up in a motorcycle alongside of us, and mentioned that the President had been hit.
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When the Presidential car leaped ahead, although there was quite a distance, not quite a distance but there was some distance between the two cars, they came up on us quite fast before we were actually able to get in motion. They seemed to have a more rapid acceleration than we did."

From the WC testimony of SA Forrest Sorrels:

"Mr. SORRELS - As we came around Houston, yes, sir; came around on Houston, yes, because we had begun to pick up speed there. And I remember Mr. Lawson turned around and said, "I wish he would come on, because we are late now," or words to that effect.
And I expressed to him, I said, "Oh, we are not going to be very late."
And I looked at my watch, and it was just about 12:30.
And I said, "We are not going to be over 5 minutes late," and the Chief of Police, I believe, spoke up and said, "We are about 5 minutes away now."
And so they called on the radio to the Trade Mart that we were 5 minutes away.
And it seemed like almost instantly after that, the first shot was heard.
Mr. STERN - Now, did you recognize it at the time as a shot?
Mr. SORRELS - I felt it was, because it was too sharp for a backfire of an automobile. And, to me, it appeared a little bit too loud for a firecracker.
I just said, "What's that?" And turned around to look up on this terrace part there, because the sound sounded like it came from the back and up in that direction.
At that time, I did not look back up to the building, because it was way back in the back.
Within about 3 seconds, there were two more similar reports. And I said, "Let's get out of here" and looked back, all the way back, then, to where the President's car was, and I saw some confusion, movement there, and the car just seemed to lunch forward.
And, in the meantime, a motorcycle officer had run up on the right-hand side and the chief yelled to him, "Anybody hurt?"
He said, "Yes."
He said, "Lead us to the hospital." "

Just as bizarre as this all may seem, is the assertion by both Sorrels and Lawson that the limo never passed the lead car, and that the lead car stayed ahead of the limo on the way to Parkland.

SA Sorrels WC testimony again:

"And the chief took his microphone and told them to alert the hospital, and said, "Surround the building." He didn't say what building. He just said, "Surround the building." And by that time we had gotten almost in under the underpass, and the President's car had come up and was almost abreast of us.
When I saw them get so close, I said, "Let's get out quick," or "Get going fast," or something to that effect. In other words, I didn't want them to pass us, because I knew we were supposed to be in front.
And that is when they floor-boarded the accelerator on the police car and we got out in front. And someone yelled loudly to go to the nearest hospital."

SA Lawson WC testimony again:

"Mr. DULLES. What was the lead car doing at this time?
Mr. LAWSON. The car that I was in, sir?
Mr. DULLES. I thought you were in the second car.
Mr. STERN. The pilot car.
Mr. DULLES. The pilot car, not the lead car.
Mr. LAWSON. The pilot car was up ahead of us, so appeared other things I recall noting a police officer pulled up in a motorcycle alongside of us, and mentioned that the President had been hit.
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When the Presidential car leaped ahead, although there was quite a distance, not quite a distance but there was some distance between the two cars, they came up on us quite fast before we were actually able to get in motion. They seemed to have a more rapid acceleration than we did.
Mr. DULLES. Did they actually pass you?
Mr. LAWSON. No, sir; they never did. We stayed ahead of them. The route was clear to the Trade Mart anyway, which was part of the route that we used to get to the hospital.
And then from the Trade Mart on, the route was going to be policed after we arrived at the Trade Mart, so that on the route from the Trade Mart to the Parkland Hospital, which isn't very far, we had to do some stopping of cars and holding our hands out the windows and blowing the sirens and the horns to get through, but we made it in pretty good time.
I also asked Chief Curry to notify, to have the hospital notified that we were on the way. I heard Chief Curry broadcast to some units to converge on the area of the incident down by where it happened. I don't recall how he phrased it, so that they would know to go to the Texas Book Depository area. He told them to converge on a certain area, and that is what it turned out to be.
When we arrived at the hospital, as our car pulled up and was still moving, I jumped out and a couple of the motorcycle policemen that had arrived there ahead of us, I asked them to keep any crowd back, any press people back, etc., as I went running in the building."

Even Curry seems to think the lead car got there in time for him to order stretchers out to carry JFK and Connally in.

Chief Curry WC testimony again:

"Representative FORD - Did you get this order over the PA system before the second and third shots?
Mr. CURRY - I don't believe so, I am not sure. I am not positive. Because they were in pretty rapid succession. But after I noticed some commotion in the President's car and a motorcycle officer ran up aside of me and I asked him what had happened and he said shots had been fired, and I said, "Has the President been hit or has the President's party been hit? And he said, "I am sure they have."
I said, "Take us to the hospital immediately," and I got on the radio and I told them to notify Parkland Hospital to stand by for an emergency, and this is approximately, I would say, perhaps a couple of miles or so to Parkland Hospital from this, and we went to Parkland and I notified them to have them to be standing by for an emergency, and we went out there under siren escort and went into the emergency entrance.
As I recall, I got out of the car and rushed to the emergency entrance and told them to bring the stretchers out, and they loaded the President, President Kennedy and Governor Connally onto stretchers and took them into the hospital."

P.S. Unfortunately, Sheriff Decker was never asked what he saw of the assassination when he was giving his WC testimony.

[Drew Phipps]

Curry said the motorcycle cop was "aside of ME." Since he was driving, maybe a cop to the left of the motorcade. Sorrels said right, everyone else said us or car.

Lawson might think he didn't get passed but there's a picture showing the limo slightly ahead.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Curry said the motorcycle cop was "aside of ME." Since he was driving, maybe a cop to the left of the motorcade. Sorrels said right, everyone else said us or car.

Lawson might think he didn't get passed but there's a picture showing the limo slightly ahead.

A minor point, Drew. The fact remains that Curry most definitely said the motorcycle cop Chaney was out ahead of the limo when they were informed of the assassination. Chaney himself made the same claim about riding ahead of the limo to inform the occupants of the lead car, as can be seen in the filmed interview below. Chaney also claimed JFK looked back over his left shoulder after the first shot, another thing not seen in the Z film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYdB3e6yQ9E

Lawson, Curry and Sorrels did not think they were passed by the limo. Almost, but not quite. My oh my, so many liars in Dealey Plaza that day.

[Don Jeffries]

Thanks so much for sharing this important video, Paul. I was especially intrigued by the point that Chaney was not much more than an arm's length from JFK at the time of the shooting- making him the closest witness outside of Jackie, and yet no one was interested in interviewing him.

Outside of the unpublished statement found in Harold Weisberg's records, what other interviews exist with Officer Jackson?

[Albert Doyle]

Did Hargis say he had time to park his motorcycle and walk between the limousine and the follow up car during the stop?



At 18:23 in the video Chaney clearly describes witnessing Hargis park his motorcycle and walk between the limousine and the Secret Service follow up car. At 6:40 Hargis describes a 5-6 second stop.


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