Football is Fixed

[Malcolm John]

It makes me think you're not a football fan to be honest, there has never been any convictions for match fixing in the EPL, and no evidence it has ever gone on, and yes the FA do monitor betting patterns across the whole globe any bet placed on EPL games included anywhere it is placed. Its just a lazy accusation, and btw it would be much easier to fix an election which you are holding (the Electoral Commission which is a Westminster body held the Scottish referendum) than it would a top level football game.

You mention the SPL, totally different, may have gone on its not impossible, but if you want to say the EPL is guilty of match fixing you'll really need to provide even one tiny shred of evidence to have the same amount of credibility. I am a football nut, and, in my opinion, to suggest even one game in the history of the EPL has ever been fixed is laughable nonsense from people who just don't have a clue what they're talking about.


Bruce Grobelaar and others were convicted but that was before the EPL, certainly in recent history its basically impossible that that has ever gone on, are games in the NFL fixed? Thats what you're talking about maginified a thousand times, people in 200 countries watch the EPL the srutiny it is under is unrivalled anywhere in sport across the whole world, its just not plausible to say match fixing goes on without providing any evidence.

And I am complimenting England here so how is my attitude on the other thread flowing through, if anything yours is.

[David Guyatt]

It makes me think you're not a football fan to be honest, there has never been any convictions for match fixing in the EPL, and no evidence it has ever gone on, and yes the FA do monitor betting patterns across the whole globe any bet placed on EPL games included anywhere it is placed. Its just a lazy accusation, and btw it would be much easier to fix an election which you are holding (the Electoral Commission which is a Westminster body held the Scottish referendum) than it would a top level football game.

You mention the SPL, totally different, may have gone on its not impossible, but if you want to say the EPL is guilty of match fixing you'll really need to provide even one tiny shred of evidence to have the same amount of credibility. I am a football nut, and, in my opinion, to suggest even one game in the history of the EPL has ever been fixed is laughable nonsense from people who just don't have a clue what they're talking about.


Bruce Grobelaar and others were convicted but that was before the EPL, certainly in recent history its basically impossible that that has ever gone on, are games in the NFL fixed? Thats what you're talking about maginified a thousand times, people in 200 countries watch the EPL the srutiny it is under is unrivalled anywhere in sport across the whole world, its just not plausible to say match fixing goes on without providing any evidence.

And I am complimenting England here so how is my attitude on the other thread flowing through, if anything yours is.

Malcolm, I can't make you think something is possible when you believe it can't be - or wish to, in fact. This forum is all about opening eyes and un-hindering minds and seeing reality as it is - not as it is portrayed in school, university or the media. All these posture to illusions.

In this and other threads there is a lot of information that points to considerable corruption, not least the gaming insider essays at Football is Fixed blog.

Corruption extends to match fixing in the world cup and fixing who wins the world cup franchise (big, big money involved -just like the Olympic Games). Check out the FIFA thread HERE. A former FA chairman, Lord Triesman, told the press that Russia and Spain had a secret deal; Russia would get the next world cup, Spain would win the last one via bribing of match officials by Russia. He had to resign following a severe press beating for breaking the omertà of big crooked money. But he was right wasn't he. Spain won the 2010 world cup and Russia gets the next one (2018).

So, if the world cup is as corrupt as it clearly is, and what with Garcia's recent report shenanigans on FIFA - do you really still believe in the stiff upper lip British back-slapping honesty and sportsmanship fairy tale that the PL is clean? The enormity of the money involved is exactly why it is corrupt.

I find it hard to accept that scrutiny by the FA, EUFA or FIFA is anything other than lamentable.

Please explain how the FA monitor eastern (read mostly Singaporean) dark pools betting? And if they did why would they tell us if something was amiss?

As for no evidence in the EPL match fixing this is clearly not the case as detailed in the Football is Fixed bloodspot and simple observation of PGMOL decisions in big matches -- not to mention the former MU manager Sir Alex Ferguson's "5 minutes" that he was always awarded if they were still losing or drawing at 90 minutes. It became a joke in the media didn't it.

Meanwhile, newspaper article stories have, in the past, just gone to sleep when there is a hint of impropriety involved in the PL. A few years ago this happened in regard to money laundering and it was this, really, that prompted me to get this folder up and running.

Italy just a few years ago had a number of top clubs punished for match fixing by bribing officials. This happened in 2006 (the enormous Calcipoli affair -- Lazio, Florentina, Juventus, Regina, with Milan later acquitted and three of those four relegated to a lower league), and again in 2012.

Yes, I accept that charges are never brought or the media do not report (or minimally report) EPL criminality. That, however, doesn't mean the game is clean. It's absurd to think it is. You are happy to believe these institutions are fine, upstanding and honest. I find that view naive. Sorry.

And to disappoint you I am a big fan - I'm off to the Emirates for the Gunners game this Wednesday evening with my grandson. I enjoy football, but I'm a realist.

And so indeed is Jan, whom you referenced in your first post in this thread. He supports Spurs.

[David Guyatt]

Football Is Fixed:

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WE, THE ARBITRAGEURS OF THE NEOHYPERREALITIES OF POST-STRUCTURALIST FOOTBALL - EXPOSING CORRUPTION SINCE 2006

Monday, 6 January 2014

Crying Child, English Football (Insider Trading And Match Fixing?)

The Magic Of The Cup Or The Tragic Of The Muck?
Insider Trading And Match Fixing?

Nottingham Forest opened at 3.20 (11/5) in places for their FA Cup tie versus West Ham United.
By kick off, Nottingham Forest were 1.35 (4/11) at 10Bet.

West Ham drifted from Evens to 9/2.
Turnover was of a level normally seen in Big Six Premier League clashes.

IN OUR DATABASE OF OVER 80,000 GAMES COVERING TWO DECADES OF GLOBAL FOOTBALL WE HAVE NEVER WITNESSED SUCH PRICE DYNAMICS (WITH VOLUME) AS EXISTED ON THIS MATCH.

But...

Over 50% of the pre-match volume was traded before the West Ham team was made public...
... that was the team with 9 changes and three debutants and a 3 man defence where two players were making their first appearances of the season and the other was a midfielder who had been out for a month. A couple of substitutes were also debutants.
Oh, and a change of goalkeeper.

After losing 5-0, the West Ham hierarchy are offering a VIP package to the child filmed crying during this allegedly competitive game.

Looking at the betting patterns, that is the very least that the club should be doing.

If any one person involved in the match underperformed due to knowledge of the global gamble then we are dealing with match fixing.

Insider trading or...
... match fixing AND insider trading?
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When even youngsters know that they are being ripped off, the insider bettors really do not see reality in the same way as the rest of us.

Meanwhile in a parallel universe, Gordon Strachan, the Ladbrokes ambassador (for feck's sake?!), informed us on the ITV FA Cup highlights show: "The fans know nothing."
Which may be the case but at least they know enough to understand that they have just witnessed the biggest insider gamble for two decades and on a terrestrial televised match just two months into The English Match Fixing Scandal...

... even more audacious if it turns out to be match fixing!

IT IS ENTIRELY VALID TO REST PLAYERS...
... IT ISN'T VALID WHEN KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SELECTION SURFACES VIA SOME PEOPLE IN-THE-KNOW AS A COLOSSAL CO-ORDINATED INSIDER GAMBLE ACROSS THE PLANET.

THE INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE PUBLIC EARLIER SO THAT ITV DIDN'T PAY TO BROADCAST WEST HAM 3RD TEAM AND FANS DIDNT WASTE THEIR MONEY.

FANS PAY THEIR AUSTERITY-BITTEN EARNINGS TO WATCH FOOTBALL - NOT A BETTING SCANDAL UNFOLDING.

THIS INSIDER GAMBLE MASSIVELY DISTORTED AND CORRUPTED THE MARKETS FOR PRIVATE PROFIT.

AND IF THAT ISN'T ILLICIT INSIDER TRADING THEN WHAT THE FECK IS?

BUT THE LIQUIDITY SUGGESTS THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE IN NO DOUBT AS TO THE OUTCOME AND THAT MAKES THIS EVENT SOMETHING FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT.

And even if this is solely an example of sociopathic insider trading...
... in financial markets in Britain, insider trading used to be regarded as a perk of the job before regulation was introduced.
Now people are occasionally jailed for such psychopathy.

Why is insider trading on football seen differently?
Or have we become so inured to the corruption in the game that fans also see insider betting as merely being a perk of the job?

When bookies see such insider volume, the markets should be suspended as they are corrupted. All bets should be cancelled. End of...
Instead, the bookmakers trade it elsewhere for private profit.

And that makes little boys cry!


Meanwhile the authorities focus their concerted attentions on accusing some Black men of getting booked deliberately...

[B]DJ Campbell Is Innocent...
[B]... Relatively.
[B]___________________________________________________________________________________

This blog post is no accusation against any individual or grouping of individuals.
But some insiders, those in-the-know, people in the loop, exploited inside knowledge to profit from a compromised market.
Our primary point is that this opportunity should not exist.
It is a loophole.

Bookies pass the knowledge around the world in a pyramid scheme of insider exploitation of the market until some offshore layer is left holding the liquidity parcel when the music stops.

This isn't a legitimate market.
It is a poker play.

But you cannot blame people for exploiting opportunities that come their way...
... it is the infrastructure of the game architected by the authorities that allow this casino to exist.

Until global betting markets are regulated, globally, and there is a compulsion for club officials to make public new knowledge that impacts upon the markets, these farces will recur recurrently.

Football markets are highly liquid global markets and should be treated as such.

If the information had been made public then ITV wouldn't have covered the game, bookmakers would have priced the market correctly, advertisers wouldn't be peeved about viewing figures, the FA Cup brand wouldn't have been tainted and, most importantly of all, West Ham fans wouldn't have wasted their money on a 3rd team game away from home with defeat a certainty.

After all, a debutant, a seasonal debutant and a midfielder who has not played in a month in a three man defence in front of a new goalie still perfecting his English is a given if you are in receipt of the knowledge![/B][/B][/B]

[David Guyatt]

Thursday, 31 July 2014

Insider Trading Is Not Necessarily Match Fixing

Last night was an incredibly depressing defeat.
It was a humiliating and, most likely, an immensely costly loss.
But it wasn't match fixing and it wasn't corruption and it wasn't illegal.

Anyone watching the match could see that things weren't right - a woeful defence, some astonishingly poor performances, a total lack of fitness, a referee with a liking for our friends from Ajax, key players absolutely drained after World Cup exertions, Scott Brown's absence, the negative impact of playing a meaningless friendly against St Pauli instead of resting up for a match that might define Celtic's season...

These are not conspiracies or criminalities, they are real fundamental facts affecting the outcome of a football match.

An insider might choose to bet and profit from a combination of this public and private knowledge plus any extra nuggets he might possess.
This isn't illegal.
It doesn't even mean that the insider isn't professionally focused on the club.
It simply means that he wishes to benefit financially from his privileged position.
And it does not mean the match is bent...
... but it does mean that the game is.

Some stuff...

• Some English Premier League matches have global betting turnover in the billions of pounds. You can get millions of pounds accepted by brokers in Asia on such games without them even blinking. Referees earn less than £2K per week. Referees are a major feature in virtually all corruption episodes around the world. Match fixing results.
  
• Players have lifelong allegiances to their agents that surpasses any club loyalty (with some honourable exceptions).Some agents also bet professionally. In some games, all of a defence will be represented by one or two agents or more than 50% of the players on the pitch will be represented by four agents, for example. Some agents work very closely together in a cartel fashion. Match fixing results.
  
• The brands demand certain outcomes. Brazil winning the opening match of the World Cup, say, or the existence of certain referees past and present in the SPL, or UEFA wishing for G14 powerhouse Juventus to be eased past Celtic in the Champions League courtesy of Undiano Mallenco. This results in match fixing.
  
• It would be easier to list the teams in the English Premier League and Championship that don't have very active betting activities associated with them than those that are legitimate. Imagine the scenario where a team is playing an end of season match of no consequence and the owner of the club is a bookmaker who has significant (and ethically awkward) betting market liabilities on the game. For the bottom line of the club, the less ethical route is much more financially rewarding. This is match fixing and it isn't illegal.
  
• Bookmakers, brokers, market makers, dark pool traders, market professionals, regulators, the police, UEFA and FIFA all recognise that match fixing is massively widespread. But there is no global regulation against insider trading (whether match fixing or just taking profit from insider knowledge). Market platforms seek the trades of insiders as it improves their market knowledge and hence their financial returns. They actively trade this 'knowledge' elsewhere in the market. This isn't illegal. It is just high stakes poker. No bookie wants to be left with the liability when the game kicks off.
  
• In horseracing, there is no incentive to throw the Derby or the Grand National due to the kudos and cash that results. However, the 3:15 at Catterick on a Tuesday afternoon when a leading bookmaker has massive liabilities on the 4/7 favourite is a different affair. This is fixing in another sport but the structure is identical to modern football. Except that the rewards in football are far far greater.
  
• In financial markets, insider trading used to be legal in Britain until around 50 years ago. A broker could have lunch with an executive and short sell the executive's company based on private information from this encounter. This was market fixing and it wasn't illegal. But it is now. Football needs global regulation to tackle match fixing, corruption, money laundering and the tax avoidance associated with these practices. FIFA should be taking on this role rather than awarding World Cups to countries who (allegedly) shoot down passenger planes and those who murder their immigrant workforce via medieval employment practices in tropical heat.
  

We form part of a global cellular grouping of individuals from all areas of the game who are not satisfied with the manner in which money people are taking over the game.
We have developed proprietary software for monitoring and analysing financial and betting markets.
We explore the dark net for underground and dark pool operations.
We are frequently appalled by what we find but, historically, there have been few global bodies willing to stand up to the rampant corruption.
We also undertake consultancies - last season I worked for a German team and I'm now working with a body monitoring match fixing in football.
We do nothing illegal.
We just try to undermine corruption in football.

There is a much more determined effort by the likes of Interpol to address match fixing (see last blog post).
But match fixing is not just a problem in the Asian underground.
It is everywhere.

Of course, whether you accept that the above structures are demolishing the game is up to you.
We merely put some stuff in front of you and you can make up your own minds - Glaswegians (both Celtic and Sevco) have enough nous to understand match fixing and corruption when they see it.

But remember.
Nobody did anything illegal prior to the defeat in Warszawa.
Nothing to see there...
... apart from an inept performance, poorly planned, strategically stunted, financially disastrous and interestingly refereed.

http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/20...d-for.html

http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/20...rkets.html

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[Malcolm John]

It makes me think you're not a football fan to be honest, there has never been any convictions for match fixing in the EPL, and no evidence it has ever gone on, and yes the FA do monitor betting patterns across the whole globe any bet placed on EPL games included anywhere it is placed. Its just a lazy accusation, and btw it would be much easier to fix an election which you are holding (the Electoral Commission which is a Westminster body held the Scottish referendum) than it would a top level football game.

You mention the SPL, totally different, may have gone on its not impossible, but if you want to say the EPL is guilty of match fixing you'll really need to provide even one tiny shred of evidence to have the same amount of credibility. I am a football nut, and, in my opinion, to suggest even one game in the history of the EPL has ever been fixed is laughable nonsense from people who just don't have a clue what they're talking about.


Bruce Grobelaar and others were convicted but that was before the EPL, certainly in recent history its basically impossible that that has ever gone on, are games in the NFL fixed? Thats what you're talking about maginified a thousand times, people in 200 countries watch the EPL the srutiny it is under is unrivalled anywhere in sport across the whole world, its just not plausible to say match fixing goes on without providing any evidence.

And I am complimenting England here so how is my attitude on the other thread flowing through, if anything yours is.

Malcolm, I can't make you think something is possible when you believe it can't be - or wish to, in fact. This forum is all about opening eyes and un-hindering minds and seeing reality as it is - not as it is portrayed in school, university or the media. All these posture to illusions.

In this and other threads there is a lot of information that points to considerable corruption, not least the gaming insider essays at Football is Fixed blog.

Corruption extends to match fixing in the world cup and fixing who wins the world cup franchise (big, big money involved -just like the Olympic Games). Check out the FIFA thread HERE. A former FA chairman, Lord Triesman, told the press that Russia and Spain had a secret deal; Russia would get the next world cup, Spain would win the last one via bribing of match officials by Russia. He had to resign following a severe press beating for breaking the omertà of big crooked money. But he was right wasn't he. Spain won the 2010 world cup and Russia gets the next one (2018).

So, if the world cup is as corrupt as it clearly is, and what with Garcia's recent report shenanigans on FIFA - do you really still believe in the stiff upper lip British back-slapping honesty and sportsmanship fairy tale that the PL is clean? The enormity of the money involved is exactly why it is corrupt.

I find it hard to accept that scrutiny by the FA, EUFA or FIFA is anything other than lamentable.

Please explain how the FA monitor eastern (read mostly Singaporean) dark pools betting? And if they did why would they tell us if something was amiss?

As for no evidence in the EPL match fixing this is clearly not the case as detailed in the Football is Fixed bloodspot and simple observation of PGMOL decisions in big matches -- not to mention the former MU manager Sir Alex Ferguson's "5 minutes" that he was always awarded if they were still losing or drawing at 90 minutes. It became a joke in the media didn't it.

Meanwhile, newspaper article stories have, in the past, just gone to sleep when there is a hint of impropriety involved in the PL. A few years ago this happened in regard to money laundering and it was this, really, that prompted me to get this folder up and running.

Italy just a few years ago had a number of top clubs punished for match fixing by bribing officials. This happened in 2006 (the enormous Calcipoli affair -- Lazio, Florentina, Juventus, Regina, with Milan later acquitted and three of those four relegated to a lower league), and again in 2012.

Yes, I accept that charges are never brought or the media do not report (or minimally report) EPL criminality. That, however, doesn't mean the game is clean. It's absurd to think it is. You are happy to believe these institutions are fine, upstanding and honest. I find that view naive. Sorry.

And to disappoint you I am a big fan - I'm off to the Emirates for the Gunners game this Wednesday evening with my grandson. I enjoy football, but I'm a realist.

And so indeed is Jan, whom you referenced in your first post in this thread. He supports Spurs.

You have moved the goalposts, we were talking about games being fixed in the EPL, now you are talking about WC bidding etc, totally unrelated issue. Personally I find your desperation to believe they have naive especially when there have never been any cases of proven match fixing in the entire history of the EPL.

If you want to make lazy accusations you need to provide evidence, if this forum is about opening people's eyes you can't do that by just saying it is cause I said so thats not good enough. And if you are paying good money to take your grandson to a game you think might be fixed I don't think its me who is naive.

There is no match fixing whatsoever in the EPL, none at all, there never has been, and probably never will. Football is rife with match fixing look at Serie A for example, but the EPL has so far remained unaffected as it exists in a spotlight that simply wouldn't allow it and would be extremely difficult to actually achieve anyway.

[David Guyatt]

This is not Monty Python's argument clinic but a discussion forum where a modicum of subject knowledge is considered necessary. Find someone else to deal with your naivety and love of arguing for the sake of it.

[Malcolm John]

What you mean is you have nothing, so have to withdraw. As for a modicum of knowledge perhaps you might want to present a modicum of evidence for your outlandish claims if you wish them to be taken remotely seriously. Match fixing is rife in football always has been, but the EPL, to date, has never been affected by it at all, no convictions, no evidence, the 'evidence' you provided was suggestion and partly not even related to the EPL. If you want to talk about intellectual rigour you might want to show some.

[David Guyatt]

I'm really delighted that Ojo del Toro is back in fine fettle at Football is Fixed. He was gone for awhile and had intended to cease altogether last year.

Here is one of his more recent essays on fixing in English football.

Monday, 22 September 2014

State Of The (Football) Nation

Matchfixing corrupts.
Absolute matchfixing corrupts absolutely.

From the mid-nineties onwards, the Asian underground markets exercised total control over English football.
In the last four years, that control has been grasped by a cartel of inappropriates from the UK and its offshore territories.
Neither of these structures is to the benefit of football.
Both create corruption.

• There are referees working with bookmakers and agents to manufacture match outcomes to the financial benefit of their insider trading.
  
• There are titles and trophies determined entirely by corruption.
  
• There are managers taking backhanders from agents to pick their clients to mutual benefit.
  
• There are bookmakers who own football clubs and who utilise this control to fix matches.
  
• There are individuals within the PGMOL who liaise with criminals and matchfixers in the selection of referees.
  
• There are individuals passing the fit and proper persons test that are entirely unfit and entirely improper.
  
• There are crime syndicates and mafia groups who takeover football clubs for fraud, money laundering and matchfixing.
  
• There are fragmented cartels of football agents who pool their players on the pitch to land huge insider gambles.
  
• There are broadsheet, tabloid and tv journalists who lubricate these corruptions via public relations abuses posing as journalism.
  
• There are bookmakers who accept insider trading and matchfixing as such knowledge is regarded as preferential information in the corrupted marketplace.
  
• There are numerous individuals throughout the game who utilise threats, menaces and coercion as standard business practice.
  
• There are betting patterns that link these corruptions with their perpetrators.
  
• There are administrators who facilitate these corruptions in support of their belief in laissez faire capitalism,
  
• There are many bookmakers who refuse to pay out winnings.
  
• There are rewards for historical matchfixing and corruptions with a career in media providing disinformation to fans.
  
• There are rampant abuses of third party ownership by agents which frequently borders on a slave trade.
  
• There are widespread abuses of performance enhancing substances (and their related masking agents).
  
• There are a whole array of under the table payments where tax is avoided (either by bungs or the selling of inside information etc).
  
• There are networks of individuals illegally hacking IT systems in search of valuable information.
  
• There are numerous examples of referees (and other peripherals) whose wealth is not explained by their legitimate earnings.
  
• There are a cabal of mainstream television media who accommodate matchfixing and corruption.
  
• There are more criminalised goalkeepers in English football than any other primary territory in Europe.
  
• There are no regulations or governmental action preventing these corruptions.
  
• There are fortunes being made at the expense of the integrity of the game.
  

English football is systemically corrupt...
... and extensively corrupt in the particular.

We have access via our consultancies to the betting patterns on these events.
And for many dubious penalties/sendings off, for example, there are equivalent betting sources and patterns ensuring profits for the criminals.

Think on this the next time you witness refereeing, goalkeeping, media or bookmaker inputs that appear at odds with the integrity of the game.

Oh, and here is a photo of John Colquhoun.

[B]F[B]or many more itemised angles on corruption follow us on Twitter @FootballIsFixed or check out our new blog[/B][/B][B]Omertà on the criminalities underpinning the Premier League and the Scottish Premier League - http://trichotomoustriptychities.blogspot.co.uk/
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He also writes a few other blogs, and the one titled A Wunch of Bankers is also well worth reading.

He is also worth reading for his take on other leagues HERE:

todos somos simios

Monday, 24 November 2014

Ooh La La! Sacre Bleu!!

French football has been rocked by two scandals...
... the same scandals occur in England but the mainstream media ensure that such realities never reach the public eye.

Six senior figures have been charged with matchfixing including Caen chief executive Jean-Francois Cortin, the Nimes president Jean-Marc Conrad (who has resigned over the affair), the managing director of Nimes as well as Nimes' main shareholder Serge Kasparian.

The club officials have been accused of fixing a series of matches, notably a 1-1 draw between Caen and Nimes on 13 May, which led to Caen being promoted to Ligue 1 and Nimes avoiding relegation to French football's third division.

Magistrates have been trying to establish if pressure was exerted by Nimes on other Ligue 2 teams as the club battled against relegation. Recordings of telephone conversations between leading figures of several clubs form a key part of the evidence.

All six men have been released on bail on condition that they have no contact with one another.

French national newspapers have released transcripts of the telephone conversations between Jean-Francois Fortin and Jean-Marc Conrad relating to the investigated football match between Caen and Nimes.

When Fulham retained their Premier League place following a fixed match between themselves and Portsmouth in 2008, the media was silent although the fix was known within the game.
Fulham's manager at the time, Mr Roy Hodgson, is now manager of England.

To compound matters in France, these charges occurred in the same week as Marseille president Vincent Labrune (together with leading club figures) were detained on suspicion of committing transfer fraud.


One British agent (with links to the Fulham match mentioned above) once informed me that he was offered a suitcase containing £40,000 by another agent as a persuader to drop his third party interest in a Spanish defender Liverpool were interested in signing.
This information was provided to me in order to show that corruption acts as an illicit currency within the game.

During the French Revolution of 1789, it was decided that people need equality in relation to the market...
... 225 years later, football has yet to understand this.

[Malcolm John]

You still have no proof, show me one place in that article where it proves rather than alleges match fixing in the English Premiership, as I'm sure I don't have to teach you there are several divisions below that which would be much more susceptible to match fixing and I said in my very first post I think thats entirely possible, but in the top league and, in my opinion also nowadays the Championship, it doesn't exist.

You have moved the goalposts again, all that article talks about is 'English football', pun intended, I don't doubt there has been and probably continues to be match fixing in 'English football' but that says nothing of the Premier League where every player is a millionaire and every game subject to more scrutiny than games in every other league in the world.

Your article also mentions France, who mentioned France I never said I thought French football was squeaky clean I have already said Italian football is notorious for match fixing, if you want to talk about intellectual rigour and have people take your claims seriously, show some actual evidence of match fixing in the English Premier League and show where somebody has been convicted for that, if not its all bluster.

Also, why are you spending probably over £100 tonight to take your grandson to a game you think the result of may have been decided this morning?

[Malcolm John]

The mention of an agent accepting an inducement to end a club's interest in a player I can completely believe, agents are the most corrupt and corruptible people in the game, are driven purely by money no sporting interest, and have less money than Premiership players, I don't doubt that goes on and people have been convicted of that, but thats not match fixing is it? To fix a match you'd have to get to a player or the referee, and, though some referees are so incompetent you'd think they might be deliberately so, there's never been one of them convicted of that and nobody has provided any proof that that goes on.