Football is Fixed

[Danny Jarman]

that is by far the biggest league in football, match fixing in that league would be by far the most difficult of any league in the world to achieve.

This is wrong on both counts. There have been cases of fixing in the world cup and champions league in recent times - both bigger stages than the EPL.

Anyway there are so many layers and levels of fixing it is hard to put it all under the word match fixing. A bit like when people put all drugs under the same umbrella, you can hardly class a joint the same as heroin.

The same with match fixing, you can have a manager playing a much weakened team from his squad on purpose to "surrender" the game. Or you can just simply have everyone involved in a big mafia operation to produce a pre determined result like this.

[Malcolm John]

Semantics really as they involve teams that are much more corruptible than any EPL team, it wouldn't be too hard to corrupt Togo or some obscure Eastern European club team, not a wealthy EPL club, though I don't remember any instances of match fixing in either the WC or CL in recent years anyway.

[Malcolm John]

Substitute the "Sco...." or "Foot...." words for Oz... And then run for it before another rash of myopic Macgroaing starts afresh

That's racist, you are not allowed to use terms like macgroaning that is racial stereotyping and completely against forum rules. The mask is slipping now, angry little Englander exposed.

[David Guyatt]

Substitute the "Sco...." or "Foot...." words for Oz... And then run for it before another rash of myopic Macgroaing starts afresh

That's racist, you are not allowed to use terms like macgroaning that is racial stereotyping and completely against forum rules. The mask is slipping now, angry little Englander exposed.

"MacGroaning" is racist?

Whereas the following obviously isn't?

"angry little Englander exposed."

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What Macplanet do you live on?



But back to the subject in hand...



Go on you Gunners!

[Malcolm John]

Of course it is, any racial stereotyping or identifying someone purely on the basis of race/nationality/ethnicity is officially racist in all interpretations of law anywhere in the world, including on this forum, and is explicitly against forum rules. Thats why I called you an angry little Englander, well two reasons, firstly you are one, secondly if its okay for you to identify me by my nationality alone its okay for me to do that to you too. Nigel.

[Malcolm John]

Substitute the "Sco...." or "Foot...." words for Oz... And then run for it before another rash of myopic Macgroaing starts afresh

That's racist, you are not allowed to use terms like macgroaning that is racial stereotyping and completely against forum rules. The mask is slipping now, angry little Englander exposed.

"MacGroaning" is racist?

Whereas the following obviously isn't?

"angry little Englander exposed."

::

What Macplanet do you live on?



But back to the subject in hand...



Go on you Gunners!

More racism, you post a video that mocks Scots for being drunk and having inadequate brain capacity, go you, I can see you really are interested in valuable, sensibke debate, oh no actually you're just an angry little Englander. It must make you especially angry to know Scots are actually the most educated adult population on the face of the planet, have more of the world's top 200 universities per head of population than any other country in the world, and have been subsidising your country for decades. No wonder you hate us, jealousy is a terrible thing.

[Malcolm John]

Is this you at the game last night? Or is it the smartest man in England?

[David Guyatt]

I bet the people in the pub groan when they see you coming.

Taking a "hint" is not in your make up is it. Very well, we'll take the other route:

Please note that this forum is for the discussion of deep political subjects and is not an airing board for your own persecution complex. To be a member requires a certain degree of understanding of the subject - or at least a willingness to try to understand - neither of which you appear willing to even contemplate.

The description "Deep Politics" is generally ascribed to Prof. Peter Dale Scott and is defined thus (from Wiki):

Deep politics is a phrase coined by researcher and academic Peter Dale Scott, which he describes thus;
"My notion of deep politics… posits that in every culture and society there are facts which tend to be suppressed collectively, because of the social and psychological costs of not doing so. Like all other observers, I too have involuntarily suppressed facts and even memories about the drug traffic that were too provocative to be retained with equanimity."[SUP][1][/SUP]Scott has extensively researched political processes that fly under the radar of conscious political activity, are omitted from discourse on the right and the left, and are many times intertwined with global drug traffic. Here is Scott's definition of "parapolitics";
par a pol i tics (pa˘r ə po˘l ə tı˘ks), n. 1. a system or practice of politics in which accountability is consciously diminished. 2. generally, covert politics, the conduct of public affairs not by rational debate and responsible decision-making but by indirection, collusion, and deceit… 3. the political exploitation of irresponsible agencies or parastructures, such as intelligence agencies… Ex. 1. The Nixon doctrine, viewed in retrospect, represented the application of parapolitics on a hitherto unprecedented scale.' 2. Democracy and parapolitics, even in foreign affairs, are ultimately incompatible.'[SUP][2][/SUP]Although valuable, Scott ultimately found the label of parapolitics too limiting;
"…the investigation of parapolitics, which I defined (with the CIA in mind) as a system or practice of politics in which accountability is consciously diminished.' . . . I still see value in this definition and mode of analysis. But parapolitics as thus defined is itself too narrowly conscious and intentional . . . it describes at best only an intervening layer of the irrationality under our political culture's rational surface. Thus I now refer to parapolitics as only one manifestation of deep politics, all those political practices and arrangements, deliberate or not, which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged."[SUP][3][/SUP]David MacGregor is another academic who applies the ideas of parapolitics and deep politics to his own research. Here are some of his observations;
"Deep politics is a revision of Scott's original concept of parapolitics first developed in The War Conspiracy. It responds to criticism that political conspiracies, like the murder of Kennedy, are too difficult to arrange and keep hidden…[SUP][4][/SUP]"Scott came to see parapolitics as "too narrowly conscious and intentional to describe the deeper irrational movements which culminated collectively in the murder of the President." In contrast deep political analysis presupposes "an open system with divergent power centers and goals" The collapse of the First Italian Republic in the mid-1990s, involving large-scale criminal influence in government, offers a telling example. It originated as an American parapolitical operation to suborn the threat of communism which parachuted prominent U.S. Mafia hoods into power in post-war Italy "[B]y the 1980s this . . . strategem had helped spawn a deep political system of corruption exceeding Tammany's, and (as we know from the Andreotti trial of 1995) beyond the ability of anyone to call it off". Another example… is the CIA-financed jihad against Russian occupiers in Afghanistan that flooded Europe with opium and helped create Osama bin Laden, a modern version of the Old Man of the Mountains, who's [sic] 11th Century followers the Assassins "sacrificed for him in order to perpetuate his crimes"[SUP][4][/SUP]

Based on everything you have posted to date in the two threads you have commandeered, I do not consider that you have any insight whatsoever on this subject, as you are intellectually naive about these matters - to a rather shocking degree, in fact. Your continuing belief that only the EPL cannot be corrupt out of world football is an indictment of your unworldly and childlike attitude.

A Masters degree in politics is useless here, unless you are able, or willing, to look deeply beneath the political surface to observe the reality of what goes on out of sight of public awareness - thanks to public perception management by the media.

I have given up (and others too) trying to engage you in these subjects, because you are wilfully blind to viewpoints other than those artless ones you adhere to with the tenacity of a drowning man gripping hold of a life raft

Consequently, it is now my belief is that you have come here to argue simply because that is what you enjoy doing. You add nothing to the debate whatsoever. But rather detract from it by taking up bandwidth with your dewey-eyed and stubborn myopia.

If not that, then you are trolling here - and that is strictly forbidden.

Besides that, I think your presence is also an excuse for you to engage in another favoured pastime of yours, namely projecting your persecuted Scottish heritage onto we here present. Again, this is not what this forum is for. Nor interested in.

[Malcolm John]

Uh-huh, and I'm fairly sure racism is against the rules too, but you've engaged in it what three times on this very thread. Hypocrite much?

[Malcolm John]

And do you consider saying there is mathc fixing in the EPL just cause you say so to be engaging in deep political thought? I said, based on my knowledge of the EPL, that is almost certainly not the case, and asked you to provide even a shred of evidence for something nobody has ever been convicted of to back up your outlandish claims, you have failed to do so, and simply allege there is match fixing cause you think there is, that is the very definition of childish and as far removed from deep politics as its possible to be.