Malaysian based AirAsia passenger jet missing

[Magda Hassan]

AirAsia flight QZ8501: Ill-fated plane's bizarre descent'

Yahoo7 and AgenciesJanuary 1, 2015, 3:06 pm

An aviation analyst has said the AirAsia jet that crashed into the Java Sea this week was behaving in ways bordering on the edge of logic'.
Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman told Fairfax that according to information leaked by the air crash investigation team, the plane climbed in a way impossible for a pilot to steer it.
Indonesian Navy airmen search the waters near Bangka Island for debris from AirAsia Flight QZ8501. Photo: Getty.He also said it didn't fall out of the sky' like a plane.
"It was like a piece of metal being thrown down," he told Fairfax.
"It's really hard to comprehend… the way it goes down is bordering on the edge of logic."
Leaked figures reportedly show the plane climbed at a rate of 6000 to 9000 feet per minute, which Mr Soejatman said could not be done by a pilot in that plane at that altitude.
He said the most that could normally be expected would be 1000 to 1500 feet, with up to 3000 feet in a burst.
The plane then fell at the incredible rate of 11,000 feet per minute with bursts of up to 24,000 feet per minute.
Mr Soejatman said the extremely low ground speed' - as little as 61 knots during the descent - was equally baffling.
Such a figure suggests the plane was heading almost straight down, explaining why it was found in the water just 10km from its last point of radar contact, he said.
He said it was fortunate the plane is located in relatively shallow waters, meaning the wreckage could help investigators work out what went wrong.

Search divers are reportedly preparing to go down to the wreck of the AirAsia plane. Photo: Reuters.
Divers prepare to visit wreck
Search and rescue divers were reportedly at the scene of where the plane is believed to be resting on the ocean floor for the first time on Thursday.
Suyatno, a search and rescue chief based at Kumai port on Borneo, told Fairfax more than 50 navy and search and rescue divers were preparing to go down.
It would be the first opportunity they have had to see how many bodies are still inside the wreckage.
Malaysia's chief of navy Abdul Aziz Jaafar tweeted that Thursday's search area for bodies and debris has been increased to 13,500 square nautical miles - more than double the size of Wednesday's search zone.
A total of 31 ships are now involved in the mission.
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[Peter Lemkin]

Too early to tell, but these initial reports seem to indicate a computer system remotely controlled took over the aircraft...this would NOT be the first time....9-11 being one pivotal time...but many since. I'd like to know who and what was on that aircraft - as such an event wouldn't be pulled off on just 'any' flight. ::

[R.K. Locke]

I'm sure that Field McConell will have plenty to say about this one...

[Drew Phipps]

It's also being said (CNN) that the plane is largely intact at the bottom of the ocean, which is difficult to square with a steep angle of incidence. It further seems unlikely to me that a hacker could, by virtue of remote control, induce "impossible" flight dynamics that a pilot "could not" (as opposed to "would not") perform.

To postulate that winds and weather caused these fllght dynamics, you'd need updrafts in excess of 100 mph, and downdrafts higher than that. Certainly its possible for winds to reach these speeds (see "mesocycle" and "derecho") and we know that the pilot was flying into a storm.

Mercifully, this plane was found, and because it's in relatively shallow water, answers seem probable.

[Magda Hassan]

To postulate that winds and weather caused these fllght dynamics, you'd need updrafts in excess of 100 mph, and downdrafts higher than that. Certainly its possible for winds to reach these speeds (see "mesocycle" and "derecho") and we know that the pilot was flying into a storm.

Clearly the weather was bad and that was the reason for their request to change course. There were several other planes in the same area at the same time some very close and on same flight path and none have reported such but as you say it is highly likey that they will find the black box and know more information soon.

[Dawn Meredith]

Ya know I think this could have been a legitimate accident, given the weather and the pilot may have stalled trying to get away from the storm. However because downing airlines is a favorite method of the slithering shadow government, we all become suspicious at every plane crash. At least I do.
I still know many people who actually believe JFK Jr. was just a bad pilot.

[Albert Doyle]

Pilots have encountered strange phenomenon before. If the data is correct this is not beyond the realm of extreme weather phenomenon like tornadic microburst etc...

[Lauren Johnson]

Now, the plot thickens. Asian blogger had warned of the AirAsia disappearance 2 weeks prior ...

MOSCOW, December 30 (Sputnik), Ekaterina Blinova A Mysterious Chinese blogger seemingly predicted the AirAsia QZ8501 catastrophe, providing warnings to potential travelers some two weeks before the tragic incident actually happened.


© REUTERS/ Edgar Su
AirAsia Crash Sparks Fresh Concerns Over International Travel Safety

"There is a post on some Chinese forum that is blowing up right now because apparently a user 13 days ago made a post warning people not to go on AirAsia Airline. He explained that the people that brought down MH370 is going to target another Malaysian airline to destroy Malaysia's Air travel industry or something like that and it all has something to do with the US (my Chinese is a bit rusty)," a Reddit member wrote, referring to the mysterious Chinese blogger. The post immediately went viral on social media. About two weeks ago the Chinese poster warned against using AirAsia passenger airliners, referring to a shadow organization "The International Black Hand."
The International Business Times cites the original post written in Chinese: "Black Hand hijacked and shot down MH370 and MH17. This has pretty much killed the 6th largest airline Malaysian airline."
"Now the Black Hand is targeting AirAsia to ruin this airline because it too belongs to Malaysia. Given how powerful the Black Hand is, I suggest that all Chinese planning to travel, should avoid AirAsia, so that you don't disappear like those on MH370. You could be happily vacationing, working, or studying aboard, but if you go on Malaysian airline or AirAsia, you're dead, be careful everyone," the poster calling himself "Landlord" stressed....

[Peter Lemkin]

Now, the plot thickens. Asian blogger had warned of the AirAsia disappearance 2 weeks prior ...

MOSCOW, December 30 (Sputnik), Ekaterina Blinova A Mysterious Chinese blogger seemingly predicted the AirAsia QZ8501 catastrophe, providing warnings to potential travelers some two weeks before the tragic incident actually happened.


© REUTERS/ Edgar Su
AirAsia Crash Sparks Fresh Concerns Over International Travel Safety

"There is a post on some Chinese forum that is blowing up right now because apparently a user 13 days ago made a post warning people not to go on AirAsia Airline. He explained that the people that brought down MH370 is going to target another Malaysian airline to destroy Malaysia's Air travel industry or something like that and it all has something to do with the US (my Chinese is a bit rusty)," a Reddit member wrote, referring to the mysterious Chinese blogger. The post immediately went viral on social media. About two weeks ago the Chinese poster warned against using AirAsia passenger airliners, referring to a shadow organization "The International Black Hand."
The International Business Times cites the original post written in Chinese: "Black Hand hijacked and shot down MH370 and MH17. This has pretty much killed the 6th largest airline Malaysian airline."
"Now the Black Hand is targeting AirAsia to ruin this airline because it too belongs to Malaysia. Given how powerful the Black Hand is, I suggest that all Chinese planning to travel, should avoid AirAsia, so that you don't disappear like those on MH370. You could be happily vacationing, working, or studying aboard, but if you go on Malaysian airline or AirAsia, you're dead, be careful everyone," the poster calling himself "Landlord" stressed....

Well, lets wait and see if they really did...or are claiming to have, after the fact...

What is a bit strange is that there is no detected 'ping' from the flight recorders....but they seem to know exactly where the plane is on the bottom and will send divers down to look for bodies and the recorders, later lifting the entire plane out of the water for examination.

[Magda Hassan]

Interesting. I tried to post yesterday but had technical issues a story about how the owner of the airline sold thousands of shares in the insurance company that the airline owned just the day before. I'll see if i canpost it again. The source looked a bit dodgy but it may still be true.