Please post your simplest argument for conspiracy
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Please post your simplest argument for conspiracy
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08-01-2015, 02:04 AM
The LNers would throw out their own "factoids" to refute all of those points. They would be wrong, but they can sound convincing to the uninitiated.
Unfortunately, there is no short-cut way out of studying the minutiae of the evidence for a genuine understanding of the case. 
08-01-2015, 02:18 AM
Tracy Riddle Wrote:The LNers would throw out their own "factoids" to refute all of those points. They would be wrong, but they can sound convincing to the uninitiated. It would be interesting to see how large the payroll is that a certain department of the US government shells out annually to support its vast network of LN disinfo agents, Tracy.
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
08-01-2015, 05:09 AM
That's why I choose the brain because the Lone Nutter factoids used to get around it are some of the weakest and most obvious.
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08-01-2015, 05:39 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-01-2015, 07:14 AM by Roger DeLaria.)
The call to AF1 while the plane was en route from Dallas to DC, saying that Oswald was the lone assassin and there was no conspiracy, before any investigation had been done and any info could have been known. Some pretty amazing work there. Sherlock Holmes was never that good.
Open windows overlooking Dealey Plaza, a sharp 120 degree turn, limo going too slow, police told to be just observers, secret service stand-down. Some major security violations. Complete removal of protection. All very telling. ::trenchcoatspy::
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
08-01-2015, 02:11 PM
Was your question designed to elicit answers about a conspiracy to cover up the facts, or was it about a conspiracy to kill the President? Have to be careful about this, because there might be people who participated in a conspiracy to cover up the facts with good and even noble motives (I'm thinking Earl Warren specifically). If you want proof that the fix was in, there's a recording of 1963 LBJ's telephone call to Warren shanghai'ing him into the cover up, and Hoover's 1963 letter to LBJ in agreement with the need for a cover up.
You can guess, from the proof of an "after" conspiracy, the existence of a "before" conspiracy; but guessing isn't very convincing, and probably won't lead you toward the real bad guys.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis." Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease." Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so." 
08-01-2015, 02:18 PM
Tracy Riddle Wrote:The LNers would throw out their own "factoids" to refute all of those points. They would be wrong, but they can sound convincing to the uninitiated. I agree. And for those of us who have long labored over this very task revisiting it again is tiring. But to respond to the question, I simply ask people if they know what the SBT means and then explain exactly what CE 399 had to do. And then add that Ford admitted his fraud. Dawn
08-01-2015, 03:24 PM
Ok, I'll throw a personal favorite out there: the paper bag. As Harold Weisberg described so well, Oswald never had the time or opportunity to construct the paper bag while Troy West manned the wrapping station (even eating his lunch there). The tape came out of the dispenser wet, had to be used there and would have retained lots of prints. It would have been quite a feat to construct this bag without anyone seeing it, and then taking it home the night of 11/21 without Frazier seeing it.
This is the kind of ridiculous little stuff that Columbo would have noticed ("Oh, just one more thing") and destroyed the whole attempted framing of Oswald. :  :
08-01-2015, 04:22 PM
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:In one frame of my visual essay, we depict the following: Even though the argument for each is complex, this is the type of simple logic I'm thinking of.
08-01-2015, 04:25 PM
Tracy Riddle Wrote:The LNers would throw out their own "factoids" to refute all of those points. They would be wrong, but they can sound convincing to the uninitiated.Agreed. The point I started the thread with has been successful to date against LN arguments. It is what it is - it happened, it's provable that it happened and there is no LN rebuttal for it - so far. Ford moved the location of the wound. 
08-01-2015, 04:33 PM
For a LONE nutter he sure was surrounded by an awful lot of people and thise people indeed almost all of them had intelligence connections.
How many intelligence connected people do you or the average person know? And if he really is a LONE nutter as said why are there any secret documents at all ever?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
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