The Fiasco of Spartacus

[Jim DiEugenio]

More Von Pein craziness.

He now says that the Edgewood arsenal reports by Olivier etc prove that the rifle could do the damage to JFK.

Do you believe this guy?

First of all, there is the question of whether or not Oswald ever ordered or picked up that rifle, a problem the WC ignored completely.

Second, how does a rifle bullet make a large, gaping, avulsive wound in the back of the skull from behind?

Third, as Gary Aguilar always quotes, when these tests were run, every time they tried to duplicate this wounding in the skull, they blew out the front of the skull's face. Which, according to the autopsy pics, did not happen in this case. (Are the pics phony then?) For the proof, see Gary's essay in Murder in Dealey Plaza, p. 184. He actually pictures the photos of the blasted out skulls, which, by the way are in the WC, CE 861 and 862. Somehow, Davey Boy missed those. Great researcher isn't he?

What a joke. But that is Spartacus today.

[Albert Doyle]

What a joke. But that is Spartacus today.

Ray Carroll is saying that even though Oswald defected to the Soviet Union as a false defector that he was unaware he was being manipulated by the CIA and had no direct connection to them (kookoo, kookoo)...

[David Josephs]

In a very short time EF will be LNers arguing with trolls from the Parker brigade (Valenti, Sorenson, Kamp, Bernie, Farley, Dane, etc...) and very little else.

I spent some time with it and made my point about a fanaticism over attacking Armstrong over minor technical details rather than the meat of the issues while also disparaging Jack White...

These little boys have no shame or self control and the mods have basically become neutralized...

Steve Gaal (bless his heart), Jim Hargrove, Larry Hancock and a few other have helped in my battle... Jim just keeps putting evidence which they ignore in front of them...

Case in point... John wrote that Everyone involved in the leafletting at the ITM was intelligence... including the cameraman for that TV station...
So rather than deal with the 95% of those involved who were intelligence, right down to Steele Jr, they mention that the cameramen in question was not intelligence ... See how WRONG John is and how much he SPECULATES !!!

The sandbox tactics employed are straight out of Cointelpro and thinly masked...

I just go over there now to watch fireworks... no use in posting anymore... it's become Lord of the Flies over there. Not to say there aren't good topics and info to be found... but these little boyus wouldn't know a source if it kicked them in the head... so all we get are opinions about speculation backed by sources like the WCR... scattered to the wind.

I'm so very glad this forum remains and has the sense to police itself away from these individuals...

Cheers to us

DJ

[Jim DiEugenio]

Its really hard to believe what has happened to that forum.

I mean, from what I understand, it was Lifton who was instrumental in getting it back up after Simkin pulled the cord on it.

And now Lifton is barely there at all.

Gordon and Dolva and a few others decided to try and revive it after the Simkin purges i.e. when he banned me and Scully, and then there was a near mutiny and several of the best posters left e.g. Hay, RCD etc.

Now, I mean Von Pein, Trejo and the anti Armstrong horde from down under? I mean David is correct, every once in awhile there is Larry Hancock and Steve G come up with a good post, but where is the edification there? I mean I think one actually could argue you get stupider by reading it.

Does no one ask DVP, "Hey Dave, your book is not doing very well at all is it? I mean, it has not gotten under six digits at Amazon as far as I can see. And its only about five months old. Therefore, do you really think you are promoting it here at the EF? Do you think anyone will buy it here? Or anyone will buy it at your web site who has not already? Why not go somewhere that you might be able to sell it? Have you done any radio shows? Why not reply to Martin Hay's review?"

But no one asks him that do they? They actually go around the mulberry bush with him for days on end. Like with that stupid lapel flip thing. I mean all you have to do is look at JBC's jacket to detonate that one.

[Tracy Riddle]

The main website of Spartacus (with all of the history articles) is priceless, though. Good to see the JFK articles have been collected on an e-book through Amazon.

[David Josephs]

Quite a list against H&L... they can't prove any of the meat of the evidence false, but can be against it none the less.

Just an FYI...

Pro-H&L

Hargrove
Josephs
Gaal
Blank
Mitcham


Against-H&L

Parker
Parnell
Sorensen
Graves
Brancato
Kamp
Loney
Kinaski
Tidd
Carroll
Laverick
Speer

[Jim DiEugenio]

Well, that poll is meaningless.

Its quite a negative achievement to revive Tracy Parnell, I mean he is an Oswald did it guy from years and years ago.


Pat Speer and Graves are Ok, and they sometimes do good work, but they are quite conservative in their approach.

I mean, please do not tell that that the Carroll guy is Ray Carroll? The guy who said he had a tape of Mark Lane backing down from him at the Wecht Conference? But never produced it? I mean please say it is not him.

[Albert Doyle]

Parnell loses all credibility in the way he tries to brush off the clear pattern of witnessing in Alice, Texas. He's a real dark-sider.

[David Josephs]

Well, that poll is meaningless.

Its quite a negative achievement to revive Tracy Parnell, I mean he is an Oswald did it guy from years and years ago.


Pat Speer and Graves are Ok, and they sometimes do good work, but they are quite conservative in their approach.

I mean, please do not tell that that the Carroll guy is Ray Carroll? The guy who said he had a tape of Mark Lane backing down from him at the Wecht Conference? But never produced it? I mean please say it is not him.

Parker - who tries to convince us the Marines simply asked Oswald, "height, weight, vision, blood pressure, etc..." and just recorded what he said to arrive at 61" and 150 lbs....
who believes it was Radionics that influenced the Oxnard call where a crazy women rambles about JFK's assassination
who wants us to believe that a 6% chance of tonsil regrowth in 5 year olds within the first 30 months after surgery explkains why the USMC records have Oswald suffering from tonsilitis and the Russian hospital records telling us that
the man they saw had normal tonsils and adenoids
who also claims that an article on riots in Ft Worth in 1956 and comments Oswald made proves he was not at Pfisterer's in 1958
who supplies 7 sources to debunk Oswald at Beauregard JHS in 1953-54 that are all asked only about the 54-55 school year
who tries to convince us that from March 23, 1953 to Sept 14, 1953 includes 200 school days from which the records and FBI show his attendance. (there are 210 potential school days in that period which includes 55 days of summer,
10 days of winter break, 5 days of spring break, 17 days at the Youth House.
who doesn;t realize that Robert Oswald puts him at PS44 in MANHATTAN at 77th and Columbus in 8th grade in 1954 while the boys PO Carro writes he enters 9th grade at PS44 on Propect in the Bronx

The FBI records from NYC are a complete sham... one has to ask, for what possible reason would it be necessary to do the kind of background investigation which includes the taking off ALL his original Jr high school records only to be held and copied by the FBI. There are at least 3 different versions of the boy's "Permanent" record... see below



Parnell - Jim covered it
Sorensen - Parker minion (PM)
Graves - witless parrot
Brancato - sad to say Paul here... always thought he'd keep an open mind
Kamp - PM
Loney - PM
Kinaski - who knows what Karl is ever thinking anyway
Tidd - Jon is a surprise, he and I discussed many aspects yet I think he presents as a lawyer much better than he understands
Carroll - Yup, Ray, who other than Paul Trejo offers more unfounded conclusions without corroboration than most anyone there.. Paul is really way out there
Laverick - PM
Speer - he has too much at stake with his work to allow for H&L....

We should add Lifton, Hoover, All the WC lawyers, and anyone with a vested interest that would be damaged by admitting, let alone investigating the H&L reality.

When any of these boys or girls posts corroboration for a rebuttal, Hell will freeze...

ok, rant over... ::headbang::

[Vanessa Loney]

Hello there David (surprise!)


I have to wonder why you haven't made your comments about the EF contributors on EF itself. Is it because you know that they would be able to respond to you directly? Or do you know that you'd be suspended over there for making these comments? (Suspension is not that really that bad, David - they let you back on after 72 hours. Willing to try it?).


The people at EF are providing a platform for the discussion of Armstrong that allows criticism. They don't deserve the sort of ire that is coming their way from posters on here. Which makes me wonder why you are attacking them.


David, do you really think I'm anyone's minion? (btw in the real world I think people would just call ROKC members e-friends or maybe just even plain old 'friends'). Happy to debate Prayer Man with you any day, David.



Mr Di Eugenio, I have the utmost respect for you and CTKA. I'm puzzled as to why you are taking this approach on this issue.



If Armstrong's theory doesn't hold water then maybe the best way to test it would be for John Armstrong and Greg Parker to debate it on Black Op Radio? That ought to provide a level playing field for both sides.