28-09-2015, 07:32 PM
Albert Doyle Wrote:It's really time the JFK community shut down that self-referenced troll over at ROKC. He is obviously not to be taken seriously and doesn't honestly answer good facts and arguments. His responses are trollish and don't deserve the 1st level status he refers to himself by. There's simply no way Carolyn Arnold, that, by 1978, didn't know Kennedy was shot at 12:30. The psychopath is a pathetic person who constructs feeble excuses directly in response to being cornered by the facts. So he's not an honest evidence-follower, he's a deliberate liar and excuse-maker. The excuse he's trying to hide in, regarding Carolyn Arnold, is that she somehow wasn't aware Kennedy was shot at 12:30 when she spoke to Golz, even though it was probably the most significant thing that happened in her life by far.
What's painfully clear is the psychopath is deluding himself that this situation exists solely within the confines of his feeble specious constructions and they are the only terms dictating the event. For those who deal in more honest reality it is pretty obvious that Golz was speaking to Carolyn Arnold in terms of exposing FBI report fraud and asking her to clarify what she really said. The trolling psychopath has dropped his previous fraudulent claim that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the foyer and left the 2nd floor at 12:15. He couldn't get away with those lies so he quietly dropped them without admitting guilt and staying on the attack. Meanwhile the true context of Golz speaking to Carolyn Arnold is that she clarified that she left at 12:25. This is something confirmed by Pauline Sanders. It had to be dangerous because FBI altered Pauline Sanders' statement to 11:25 - just like they altered Carolyn Arnold's statement to 12:15. The psychopath asked how we knew Carolyn Arnold's time was accurate? When you show him Pauline Sanders' confirmation he ignores it. Just like he ignores that the photographs of Carolyn Arnold at the Depository front at 12:45 destroys his pathetic "went to go home at 12:25" bs (Also ignored and not admitted by the troll). Mrs Reid also puts Carolyn Arnold right in the 12:25 slot. So all said and done there's more than enough evidence to assume Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the lunch-room near to 12:25. The noise the psychopath throws up in reaction to this is just the easiest available excuse the ROKC creep scurries to in reaction to the obvious facts he's avoiding.
I love the ROKC site. It has all the trimmings of a serious research site and even has 1st level graphics for a conference. But it is run by punk researchers led by a bully cult leader and its content is rot.
While we have disagreed on other matters, I have to say you are pretty much correct on the basics of the Carolyn Arnold matter.
Greg Parker is basing his argument on assumptions. The first assumption is that the more menial employees (labourers) were somehow banned from the 2nd floor lunch room, while at the same time being allowed access to the soft drink machine there, and provided change for that machine by the secretaries on the 2nd floor. Were these labourers banned from the 2nd floor lunch room, or did they just naturally gravitate to the 1st floor Domino Room and the inevitable games of dominoes there? Would a quiet and introspective young man who enjoyed reading newspapers on his lunch break not gravitate to the quieter 2nd floor lunch room?
The next assumption Mr. Parker makes is that the FBI report of 26/11/63 (unsigned and unseen by Carolyn Arnold) is correct in stating she left the 2nd floor at 12:15 and that she also glimpsed Oswald on the 1st floor of the TSBD. This is contradicted, of course, by Ms. Arnold's second statement (signed) to the FBI AND her interview with Golz. In the latter interview, of 18/03/64, she leaves the TSBD at 12:25, and makes no mention of seeing Oswald on the 1st floor just before 12:15. The damning thing about the first report is that it places Oswald on the 1st floor just before 12:15, with ample time to get back to the 6th floor before JFK passes.
The next assumption Mr. Parker makes is that no one in the TSBD had any inkling or notion that JFK's motorcade was running just over half an hour late. He was originally scheduled to arrive at the Trade Mart for a luncheon set to begin at twelve noon. If we work it out, this would have had him passing the TSBD a few minutes BEFORE noon, if he was making any effort to arrive on time. We only have to look at other witness statements and testimonies to know there was no real effort made to be out on the street by the majority of the TSBD employees, with many of them going out well after the scheduled passing time. How would they have known JFK was going to be late?
The next assumption Mr. Parker makes is that Ms. Arnold's departure time in her 18/03/64 statement of 12:25 is actually the time she left for home, with the original time of 12:00 to 12:15 being correct for leaving the building. This is a very weal argument as, not only does she not explain this is the time she left for home, she is plainly identified in several photos of the front entrance area of the TSBD taken ten to fifteen minutes after the assassination.
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964

