Thoughts on a bus trip

[David Josephs]

I do not have any trouble imagining the penny-pinching Oswald retaining the bus transfer. At this point, Oswald is either guilty (of something), or has figured out that he's being set up, do you agree? Having limited funds, and probably needing flexibility in his travel plans, I would expect him to retain a free and "good on any Dallas bus" transfer, even after he ditches the possibly incriminating work clothes.

Before I start please note that I meant the BECKLEY bus is one he could have been on which drops him off right next to his rooming house. The MARSALIS bus is the McWatter's bus from which a Transfer would be useful to get to Beckley.
Yet if he used the transfer, it couldn't have been found at the DPD.

Drew - Maybe I was not clear enough.

From the evidence offered, Oswald was NOT on that bus.
He never obtained that transfer which he never used.
There is no transfer book in evidence from which that transfer was taken -
There is no record of McWatter's books for that day
McWatters specifically within 2 weeks of his testimony that it WAS NOT OSWALD
McWatters states in his testimony - IT WAS NOT OSWALD
Milton Jones describes a completely different person wearing a blue jacket ala Whaley;
Therefore, Bledsoe sees holes in a shirt in places she could not have seen if the man was wearing a jacket.

The only item of evidence which attempts to authenticate his presence on that bus is a transfer NOT obtained at the time of arrest as all the reports state but hours later.

I agree that then man Ruby killed might be considered a penny-pincher... one with an amazing amount of very good photographic equipment and more than enough handy cash to take care of his life plus some...

That description of the man does not lead to his having been on the bus in the first place though Drew. Like asking about his shooting expertise - since he was NOT at the window, his shooting ability is a moot point.

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"Mr. BALL - As I understand it, neither then nor now are you able to identify or say that you have again seen the man that got off your bus to whom you gave a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir; I couldn't. I could not identify him."
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Why is it that every time we have evidence that exonnerates Oswald - spoken by a citizen caught up in the cover-up - we have such a hard time accepting what they say?
And things like the transfer book which would show a variety of "transfer cuts" at different time during the day is as gone to history as Holmes' Postal Money Order book from which the PMO was supposedly found...
That too is gone to history.

The FBI followed up and found the DPD coerced a #2 ID from McWatters. McWatters was talking about Jones. Who Jones was talking about is almost of no consequence at this point as it was not Oswald.
Whaley is an entirely different can of worms we can discuss at some other time.


Mr. BALL - You notice in the affidavit there it says, "This man"--referring to the man who was grinning--
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - "This man looks like the No. 1 man I saw in the lineup today."
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Who was the No. 2 man you saw in the lineup on November 22, 1963?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, just like I say, he was the shortest man in the lineup, in other words, when they brought these men out there, in other words, he was about the shortest, and the lightest weight one, I guess, was the reason
I say that he looked like the man, because the rest of them were larger men than--
Mr. BALL - Well, now, at that time, when you saw the lineup--
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you under the impression that this man that you saw in the lineup and whom you pointed out to the police, was the teenage boy who had been grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - I was, yes, sir; I was under the impression--
Mr. BALL - That was the fellow?
Mr. McWATTERS - That was the fellow.
Mr. BALL - You were not under the impression then that night when you saw the lineup that the No. 2 man in the lineup was the man who got off the bus, to whom you had given a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - T[B]hat is what I say.[/B] In other words, when I told them, I said, the only way is the man, that he is smaller, in other words, he kind of had a thin like face and he weighs less than any one of them. The only one I could identify at all would be the smaller man on account he was the only one who could come near fitting the description.
Mr. BALL - Let me ask you this, though. D[B]id you tell them the man, the smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus. [/B]
Mr. BALL - That stayed on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - That stayed on the bus.
Mr. BALL - And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and to whom you gave a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.



Mr. BALL - Let's get back to that lineup.
Did you pick out one man or two men that night as people you had seen, as a person you had seen before?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I picked out, the only one that I told them it was the short man that I picked out up there.
Mr. BALL - And you thought he was the teenager whom you described?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, first that is what I thought he was.
Mr. BALL - Now you have named him Milton Jones.
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, he was--
Mr. BALL - Now you realize you were mistaken in your identification that night?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right.
Mr. BALL - As I understand it, neither then nor now are you able to identify or say that you have again seen the man that got off your bus to whom you gave a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir; I couldn't. I could not identify him.