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Poking More Holes in Judyth Baker
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" We have several witnesses who reported that Lee Oswald WAS in Mexico City. And at first, the CIA wanted everybody to know that. Later, probably due to emerging dangers of inciting WWIII with Russia or Cuba, denials set in. We have researchers such as Anthony Summers, along with John Armstrong and Mark Lane, saying Lee never went to Mexico Citty. Not so.I have given many details of why he was there, why he suddenly left, and why Lee was so upset when he could not enter Cuba.(though the efforts he made seemed more for drama to prove he 'tried' to filfill the mission, as he told me he had little hope of success from the moment the contact did not show up to pick upo the biological weapon...with its shiort shelf life, in a few days, it was really too late...).

Author H. p. Albarelli has never met me and dismisses me as a witness, but this won't stop me from citing what he has published in "A SECRET ORDER."
He relates the following: "[Charles Thomas, CIA, reported that]...In Sept. 1963...[Elena Garro de paz] went to a party at the home of Ruben Duran, who is married to her cousin. ..There she met Oswald, and two other young Americans who were with him." (p. 347)
Her mother also saw Lee Oswald at the party. Therefore, "[When]...they saw newspapers and the photographs of Oswald ...she {Elena} and her daughter both came to the independent conclusion that he was one of the young Americans at the Duran party." (p. 355)

"WE have several witnesses?" Okay... witness 1 & 2: the STATE dept thought Ozzie was a commie and Castro sympathizer... you think they wanted to find that PAZ was a lie?

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Charles Thomas went on to report a good reason why his wife Silvia Duran denied that she had an association with Lee: "At the end of Jan. 1964, Ruben Duran visited Sra/ dePaz...He [Duran] said he was going to visit the United States and wanted her to protect him as much as possible whle he was away. He feared that it might be discvered that Oswald had been to his house. Since he {Duran} had been born in the United States, he knew it woukd be easy for the Mexican government to divest him of his citizenship and deport him." (p. 357-358). NOTE: In April 1971, Charles William Thomas "committed suicide" at age 45 -- if you believe the official report that he was a "desperate man" because he was fired from the CIA (with a pension).. He had not been able to be promoted in the CIA ever since his report and was eventually forced to retire. His wife said he would never do such a thing.

The Voice on the tape was not Oswald... now what?
TIRADO - No. I read yesterday, an article in the Reader's digest, and they say he was at the Consulate on three occasions. He was in Friday, Saturday, and Monday...That's not true, that's false
CORNWELL - All right. Let's try a different hypothetical. If the one in the Reader's Digest is definitely wrong, is it possible that he first came on like a Thursday, and then came back on a Friday?
TIRADO - No, because I am positively sure about it. That he came in the same day.

CORNWELL - During this period was your normal work week, did it include Saturdays?Tirado Yes.Cornwell Is it possible that, in addition to his visits on Friday, he also came back the following day on Saturday mourning?
TIRADO - No.
CORNWELL - How can you be sure of that?
TIRADO - Because, uh, I told you before, that it was easy to remember, because not all the Americans that came there were married with a Russian woman, they have live(d) in Russian and uh, we didn't used to fight with those people because if you, they came for going to Cuba, so apparently they were friends, no? So we were nice to them with this man we fight, I mean we had a hard discussion so we didn't want to have anything to do with him.
CORNWELL - Okay. I understand that but I don't understand how that really answers the question. In other words, the question is, what is it about the events that makes you sure that he did not come back on Saturday, and have another conversation with you?
TIRADO - Because I remember the fight. So if he (come) back, I would have remembered.
CORNWELL - Did Azcue work on Saturdays?
TIRADO - Yes, we used to work in the office but not for the public.
CORNWELL - Was there a guard, was there a guard out here at the corner near number seven on your diagram on Saturdays?
TIRADO - Excuse me?
CORNWELL - Was there a doorman out near the area that you marked as number seven, on the diagram?
TIRADO - Yes, but on Saturday he never let people ...
CORNWELL - Never let people in.
TIRADO - No.


Of Thomas, an FBI official, W. A. Branigan, wrote: "Thmas points out to the State Department that if the allegations he has received from Mrs. Paz are true, although they would not prove a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy, they would, if made public, damage the credibility of the Warren Commission. Report." (p. 358)

Unfortunately for an author writing about someone else saying something - Paz et al were shown to be the fakes they were... just like Alvarado, a CIA asset.

An FBI report was generated that said since the arty was held the night before on Oct. 1, 1963, and since Lee Harvey Oswald left Mexico City on oct. 2, 1963,, that he could not have attended the party.


Albarelli, in addition, interviewed Robert C. Buick, a notorious bank robber and bullfighter who writes very well, and has his own website that you can visit today. Buick met Lee Oswald and from him learned that JFK was going to be assassinated. Buick culd not really tell if Lee was concerned because he was going to be involved or because he had learned of the plot and felt obliged to mention it to another American. Lee tos me that he did go to a bullring, but he did not mention Buick to me. He only said he was sekeing a contact there. Buick did not meet Lee at a bullring, but, rather, at a bar, but Lee walked right up to him, he said, and asked if he was a bullfighter.
It is rather interesting, what is reported next:
"Robert Clayton Buick,: writes Albarelli, " met Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City...a note typed by [CIA asset] June Cobb in October 1963...is addressed to 'DP."[Albarelli does not say so, but this may be her friend David phillips, who was Lee's handler, his betrayer, as well as being involved, Lee told me, in the plot to kill Kennedy]. What comes next isinteresting: "The note reads, 'The day after Lo [Lee Oswald] in Comercio, encountered Buick, the American bullfighter, at H. Luma. Warren [Broglie] says Buick is drawing attention here." (p. 419)
By 1966, Buick was indicted in the US for his many bank robberies, "going back to 1963."
NBote that Buick said Lee called himself b the name "Hidell." Lee told me that "Hidell" was 'a project name" and was used by others, not just by him.
(this is not the 'Charles Thomas" who was the relegated Customs Officer. who was flown in from Miami to expedite Lee's passport in only 24 hours.)
(Photo: this impersonator was identified asLee Harve Oswald by the CIA for the FBI... later, they claimed the cameras were not working at exactly the time Lee visited the Cuban Cinsuklate, where this photo was taken...] "

This photo is Mystery Man I suppose? First off the man was identified as Lee HENRY Oswald. Second, it was Anne Goodpasture with LADILLINGER (Soviet Desk officer Barbara Murphy Manell) who created the false story of this man being Oswald and claiming it was the 1st (when Ozzie was still supposed to be in MC) when in reality it was well after the FBI claims Ozzie left - the 2nd time - at 8am on the 2nd....

By the 8th of Oct they also had photos of this man from Oct 4... yet they still pushed the HENRY Oswald angle...


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The first time the FBI created evidence for his departure - the 2pm Oct 2 Frontera Bus whose manifest was created on the spot by Arturo Bosch yet was discarded as evidence due to timing conflicts for Ozzie - was scrapped. Bosch simply crossed stuff out and wrote Oswald on line 4... The manfest was actually for a diff montha nd day entirely.

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hope you noticed how all of this is first person hearsay right? Albarelli is taking the word of a thief, without a shred of evidence or proof, that he met and was told by Oswald about the JFK assassination...

This is what Judy calls "witnesses" ?? This guy Buick sounds like Hemming or Files... just enough truth to cover the mountain of crap he created from sitting in jail for 22 years

Robert Clayton Buick was charged in a twenty-two count indictment with robbing twenty-two federally insured savings and loan associations in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2113(a) and (d) (1964). Counts 19, 20, 21 and 22 were severed for a jury trial which resulted in convictions on counts 20, 21 and 22. Concurrent twenty-year sentences were imposed, subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 4208(a) (2) (1964). http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appe...12/216608/

http://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Robe...1477135901 - I was not aware that FILES had done the arwork for Buick's book - should give you some idea of it's credibility.


And when all is said and done - See if she or Albarelli know who Rafael Ochoa was and what he had to do with Mexico City Evidence....

Thanks Albert... that was fun....

Were you aware that the FBI looked all of Nov for anyone who saw him or knew he was in Mexico? Let's also remember that at that time he was just an innocent man... why would it be so hard to find the evidence of his travel within the US on his way to Mexico? I did 6 articles on Mexico at ctka.net If you want to see the evidence which tries to place him in Mexico, it's there...

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