05-02-2016, 10:56 PM
David Josephs Wrote:There is really not very many places to go in rebuttal here Jonathon.... agreed?
I agree with your basic point. However I also think that fragmentary truth is used to develop all the lies.
For example I know from personal experience in some circumstances an agent / operative will cultivate a hobby, an interest in a television show etc. for some "nefarious" purpose. One can hardly go to a bridge tournament until one knows how to play bridge, has "learned the lingo" and so on.
Likewise this "I Led 3 Lives" thing... Makes me wonder a great deal.
The timing is all wrong, and that is a typical liespotter tell. But it could also be a Hemming style hint.
In this case I revert to my love of Agatha "intel agent" Christie (she is the real inventor of the dashing young agent James Bond - he appears in one of her short stories read by her "godson" Ian Fleming). The easiest way to divert or delay penetration of the truth of TWO parallel lives... is to ADD A THIRD...
Harvey, Lee... and Oswald?
The CIA references "The Harvey Project" in its post-USSR debrief papers from SR6, and elsewhere references "The Oswald Project".
LHO seems like a "seed" character - predominantly "played" by two "actors". However during the course of the run of his show on occasion an understudy was needed. Also it seems a very useful and quite obvious trick to use. If investigators from hostile agencies, law enforcement out of the loop or anyone else starts really focusing on there being two Oswalds, along comes a third more absurd Oswald and the whole concept is derailed.
A couple of anonymous tipsters have said there were SIX Oswalds. I think this "SIX" figure is nothing more than the sum total of the photographed and/or witnessed and recorded Oswalds.
I do think there was a Harvey and a Lee. But I also know that once you have a false ID and a document section backing it up with "real fake" documents ie real forms filled in with fake information, the sky is the limit. And another ADG or equivalent rank officer could intervene and start causing some messes by saying "hey, I'll just use your returned defector ID on this one. Who will know?" so there is the occasional unforced continuity error.
The "I Lived 3 Lives" thing interests me because it seems like one of those classic continuity errors where Robert Oswald, part of the family of secrets or front family, rushed to try and paint LHO as this fantasist and "I like to infiltrate" clown-like Walter Mitty. Very dismissive. TOO dismissive.
My take on Harvey and Lee? They're part and parcel of a deception operation along the lines of and on the scale of "At Bertram's Hotel". It isn't this person or that person involved, there is a large cast and an entire ants nest of people. I think a FBI penetration of CIA activities, done in a casual and arrogant way as he so often did by Hoover, was punished by the CIA who coopted the asset, used him as a patsy, and continued using his double from then on. I think in addition to the discussed differences between the two LHOs, one was a homosexual CIA asset used due to his need for money and his ability to be burned at any time due to his homosexuality, and the other was a fairly unhappy and not as bright individual who served a specific purpose, was still on the books when needed but was prior to the JFK plot just flagged as another FBI / mafia pawn.
I've seen some very good timelines and comparison charts on Harvey and Lee but one I haven't seen is the comparison between FBI and CIA and between mafia / Cuban links.
I have a hunch that the two LHOs would resolve to a FBI "snitch" and a CIA homosexual operator. One of them came off quite cold and the other one mixed not only with the homosexual underground but also with fellow CIA contract agents.
People make the argument that why on earth would CIA use homosexuals when it's such an obvious kill switch. Well, the homosexuality would preclude them having a job directly employed with the agency, as in, at CIA offices or whatever, but that same killswitch makes them ideal contract agents or cutouts. Ideal. Automatic ability to compromise and discredit them.
And there are other examples of this sort of doubling.