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Heads Up!
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David Josephs Wrote:Exactly Albert...

Which Photogammetry software did you use on this 2d representation of 3d space to arrive at accurate data?

And one final note - the ACTUAL SIZE of this frame and PM within this frame - it is from these crystals that you are concluding what you are...
Wesley is by the front of the landing and PM is near the back - this creates perspective distortion multiplied by the focal length of the lens.

Look at the image at the bottom to see how that works - for now, this image represents a single frame from a film having 3.5mm x 4.8 mm sized

The "Actual Size Negative" gives you some idea of the size of the frame and then within that tiny frame PM occupies a tiny fraction of the image.

For as small as it is, the detail is amazing... but any other work on this image needs more math than you're bringing to the table Albert.



David,


You're way overcomplicating it. You show your resistance by going backwards and showing the larger image when the enlargement that Sean Murphy presented shows accurate information. Please, you never once protested when Sean Murphy used the enlargement. Again, you never held Sean Murphy to any photogrammetry demands.

You are stating wrong information. Prayer Man is not at the back for two reasons. First is the sunlight seen on his hand and forearm in Wiegman. This sun glow could only occur at the front of the landing where the sun plane transects the portal. Prayer Man lifts his hand to his head and doing so pushes it forward just enough to illuminate from the sun plane. This is a forensic locator that places Prayer Man at the front of the portal edge where a parade watcher would be more likely to stand while watching the motorcade. The second evidence is more subtle. In the glowing hand frame in Wiegman you can see a space between Prayer Man's head and the aluminum frame. You can also see Prayer Man's right elbow's proximity to the brickwork. If Prayer Man was further back there would be no space between his head and the frame by triangulation. His elbow would also be in a different place in relation to the brickwork. The only place these conditions would occur would be at the front of the landing. Robin Unger and Bart Kamp both said Prayer Man is at the front of the landing. Even Parker added Prayer Man was on the first step down. And Parker said he thought so because he admitted Prayer Man was too short (with no protest from you or demands for technical proof). DiEugenio posted that when he first saw Murphy's claim he thought Prayer Man's body wasn't right for Oswald. It was Unger who said the brickwork puts Prayer Man forward in the portal.

Over on MacRae's forum Tony Fratini posted the Allen crop of the portal taken at nearly an identical angle to Darnell. In it there is a man just inside the glass who has to be standing at the same level as the portal landing since the foyer and landing are on the same level. Fratini made a very important discovery with this because it proves Prayer Man is standing on the landing. Fratini took a cut-out of Prayer Man in Darnell and juxtaposed it with this man just behind the glass in Allen. The two were of identical height. This proves Prayer Man is on the landing because for him to be on the first step down would require a grotesque extension of his legs from the shins down. The body proportions between Prayer Man and the man behind the glass proves Prayer Man is on the landing. Parker never responded to Fratini's proof that Prayer Man was on landing - which, in turn, proves (by Parker's own words) that Prayer Man was too short.

Sorry David but both MacRae and Unger showed film clips of Prayer Man. In both clips Prayer Man is clearly at the front of the landing and never moves. I suggest you read MacRae's Prayer Man thread. You can see plain as day that Prayer Man is standing up at the front in both clips.

In my mind going backwards and showing the less detailed unenlarged original is an attempt to avoid discussing what is legitimately visible in the enlargement. You do realize that legitimate evidence can be derived from enlargements? A height comparison is one of the most basic types of evidence - which is the beauty of this proof. Your going backwards to a less detailed original does nothing to answer the legitimate comparison of height seen in Murphy's otherwise uncontested enlargement.

David, I am quite capable of proving this and itch for the ability to do so where I can answer insults like "cut the crap" and "not bringing enough to the table" as they deserve to be answered. However I can only do so if moderators are not allowed to unfairly curtail discussion. You are wrong and when correct analysis is allowed there is no perspective difference between Prayer Man and Frazier. At most there is a 12 inch depth difference between the two that is negligible at a 6-7 inch height difference. At these correct terms there's a clearly visible 6-7 inch height difference that automatically excludes Oswald that no perspective excuses can overcome. Correct analysis would realize this 6-7 inches is such a large difference that it overcomes all potential perspective variances in the portal. Variances that are not an issue in this case due to the said forensic indicators. It is you who lacks the correct data.

If this isn't welcomed here I would be glad to prove this in a venue of free discussion. But I don't see why it wouldn't be welcomed here since it is provably accurate. You also don't realize that when my correct information is inputted your Civil Air Patrol photo actually proves my point.


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