15-09-2009, 08:11 AM
(This post was last modified: 15-09-2009, 08:17 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:In fact, if you go back to some of the early posts and urls on this thread, you'll see that the Italian authorities said they were indistinguishable from REAL bearer bonds [i.e. if fake, they were such good fakes as to be not discernible as such!]. This was an Op of some kind - I think a very complex one by several governments or entities and the fact it was let to 'disappear' down the rabbit hole of 'old stories' without explanation is both interesting and frightening. Among holders of large denomination bonds around the world I don't think they've recovered yet. Someone was sending a message. I'm not sure exactly what. Perhaps, "we get to say which bonds are considered real and which are not: - it has NOTHING to do with which really are and are not!
Your ebay 'bonds' have the word 'commemorative' on them. Such a word was not on the real ones, I believe, and are a dead give-away they are 'paste' rather than diamonds. There were other security features [secret] built in, but known to those who need to know. Did you buy 134 of them? Any idea how popular they were on ebay? Maybe they should stop the Fed and Treasury sales and just sell bonds now on ebay.
Peter,
it is my firm conclusion that the "Kennedy Bonds" pictured on the original italian press release of 4th June are EXACTLY the same as my "ebay bond".
So yes, until proven wrong, I will be affirmative that these "Kennedy Bonds" never existed, they always were commemorative notes, not legal tender and in fact worthless pieces of paper. And everybody, including all persons who ever saw them in Chiasso, Como or wherever they may be now MUST KNOW that they were worthless pieces of paper.
The only "security feature" on it is a nice hologram on the back, displaying "APOLLO II", an eagle symbol and the letters "OK" in different sizes.
I did buy exactly one of them, serial number 071047.
I do not think they are very popular, there were two available from the seller in Singapore and they were available several days after I posted my find and before I finally decided to buy one, just for the fun of it. I am fully aware that paying 30US$ for a worthless piece of paper is silly, but I tend to have my silly moments.
If anyone is interested I can post a superhigh resolution scan of both sides of the note, as soon as I have my scanner installed again, which can be immediately, if necessary.
The whole point I have is that the press release from June 4th was a scam from the beginning and all people involved in this press release and the ridiculous statements regarding these "Kennedy Bonds", like that they were of good paper quality and so on, knew that exactly.
I also believe that it was done for a purpose, maybe warning Japanese/Chinese against under the table sellings, maybe trying to put pressure on the dollar, maybe something different.
The perpetrators realized that the "Kennedy Bonds" were recognizable on the photos despite the very low resolution, so they did not appear in later versions of the photo with the table and the two Police/Customs caps.
This could not have been done without active participation of Italian customs officials and quite likely people like Stephen Meyerhardt, even if the funny statements of the US officials may not be counted as a crime or even a lie.
Of course, I can only speak about the ten "Kennedy Bonds" of one billion (?) each, I have no firm evidence about the 249 other papers. But my trust in them being genuine Federal Reserve Bonds is zero.
Peter, get over it, Kennedy Bonds with a One Billion denomination never existed. The probability that they do exist and that some private company prints commemorative notes looking exactly the same, is zero.
Carsten
I see it seems to also have the words 'non-negotiable' on the top front. Carsten, you miss my point. Whether they are real or not [I'm inclined, but not convinced most of them are real] is NOT the point. The Italian Border Authorities said they seemed real...yet released the 'Japanese' men and released [by some accounts] the 'bonds' too. It is the funny-business in all aspects that is important - even if it was monopoly money - or real - there was a well-staged 'theater' to send strong and covert messages. NOTHING that happened or was said 'fits'! David, who's quite an expert in this field, thinks it possible that there have been secret printings by 'authentic authorities' of bonds....not officially recorded nor acknowledged. Hall of mirrors. Mad Hatter's Tea Party. I still don't understand the lack of media interest - they obviously bought the simplest [and obviously false] version of them being amateurs with monopoly money. If so, they'd be in jail and certain other things said and done, never would have been.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass