Clay Shaw

[Tom Scully]

Tom:

I am not defensive at all.

When you say that Carpenter missed none of this, my question is "None of what?"

I mean, I can understand Carpenter doing something like this "Six Degrees of Separation" to cast doubt on Garrison-- I mean he had an agenda to fulfill. But you?

And why completely ignore my main point?

Do you or Carpenter really think that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans? I think that is ridiculous. Especially in light of all that we have learned since the seventies. And which I listed some of above. I mean, to take one more example besides Banister: why would Ferrie try and eliminate the evidence of his relationship to Oswald in the CAP within 48 hours of the assassination? To the point of calling people in the CAP to find the picture depicting him and Oswald? Why would Shaw then tell so many lies on the stand?

Tom, I have been dueling with these anti Garrison types for a very long time--actually decades. If you read my review of Jeff Caufield's piece of junk, you will see my latest round. In each and every case, they use the same tactics--they try and distract, they smear, they leave out crucial information. And that's Carpenter also.

Its really odd that you trusted him over me.

Jim, are you really not getting this? You seem to be attempting to change the entire point. Twice now you emphasize you disagree with author Donald H Carpenter,

....Do you or Carpenter really think that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans?

These are the steps I progressed through.:

1.) I tried to find out the background, motivation, and sponsorship of Ed Butler and was there a direct, identifiable connection to the CIA.

2.) Butler's background led me to Jesse R Core III, and Core to David G Baldwin, Core and Baldwin to Shaw, Baldwin to CIA.

3.) I find Nicholas B. Lemann's late 1991 article published in GQ Magazine, obviously a counter to the December 21 theater release of Stone's film. I find that Lemann does not disclose his uncle Stephen's or his father Thomas's roles with WDSU or intel Garrison developed on Stephen Lemann's relationship with CIA. I post a question to you about your knowledge of Nicholas's background.:

Tom S.:

In reply to your number 24 above, yes I was aware of that.

Nicolas Lemann was the nephew of Steve Lemann, of the law firm Monroe and Lemann.

That very powerful law firm was the firm representing WDSU, the NBC outlet in New Orleans owned by the wealthy Stern family which was one of the biggest supporters of Shaw/Bertrand at the time.

WDSU was the outlet that Walter Sheridan worked with in New Orleans while assembling his, originally two part, hatchet job on Garrison.

Because it was originally scheduled as two parts, Sheridan got money from the CIA which was laundered through Monroe and Lemann. (Destiny Betrayed, second edition, p. 238)


And yes I was also aware of Nicolas Lemann's ascension through the power elite after that article. An ascension which is not at all merited by his own work or talents.

So the answer to your question is that, yes they really are that good and they really are that dedicated to preserving their own power.

BTW, you might want to ask how I found out that Nicolas Lemann was Steve Lemann's nephew. I am not a genealogist like you are. So when the article came out, I smelled a rat somewhere. So I called up Monroe and Lemann and I asked if Nicolas was any relation to the co founder of the firm. The secretary gave me the bad news, "Oh, that's his nephew."

I got a little sick to my stomach. These guys are really serious.

4.) I discover that David Baldwin's wife is step-sister of Stephen and Thomas Lemann. Baldwin's mother-in-law is step-grandmother of Nicholas
B. Lemann

5.) I find the May 24, 1967, William Martin memo in a folder in the John Armstrong collection at Baylor's Pogue Library, through cites in the books by you and Joan Mellen.:


6.) I discover through my own genealogical research that the Baldwin brothers' mother Adele Ziegler Baldwin Raworth was the aunt of
Garrison's wife, Leah Elizabeth Ziegler Garrison. On Jan. 29, 2016, I write an article (Omissions of Jim Garrison, dean emeritus Nicholas Lemann, and the CIA) and put it in the pending article queue at JFKfacts.org.
I ask Jeff Morley not to publish it on the site until I can confirm the details of links of Garrison's antagonists to his in-laws is original research.

7.) I find that Donald H Carpenter has published the links between the Baldwins and the Lemanns and also the revelation through a letter in
the Shaw papers donated to NARA, that David Baldwin wrote to Shaw on the day after Shaw's arrest, informing Shaw that Baldwin was godfather and first cousin of Garrison's wife. - https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6e7ie...penter.jpg

8.) Yesterday I found that Stepen B Lemann announced in mid 1965 the hiring of Walter Joseph Machann, the elusive Dallas RC priest tracked
down and interviewed by the SS for the WC, probably to avoid linking this FBI informant (Father Machann) of activities of Sylvia Odio and Dallas Cubans, to details in FBI records, as field coordinator of a NOLA mental health program Lemann was president of, from 1964. The SS report misspelled Machann's name and gave his age as 26 in 1964, despite his 1949 graduation from Jesuit H.S. in Dallas and his ordination as an RC
priest in May, 1967. Lemann's announcement of the appointment of Machann in 1965 makes no mention of his Dallas origin or priestly past.

Neither Garrison or Clay Shaw ever revealed any of the above, and the only attempt Garrison ever made to implicate Stephen B Lemann was
describing him, and his role, but not naming him. This is why I posted that both men demonstrated the ability to pull their punches.

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/commen...ent-858943
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2of2 Garrison 06/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
…of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency….

Stephen B Lemann's nephew attacked Garrison in 1974 and in late 1991.:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/2...ll-of-big/
The Rise and Fall of Big Jim G. Politics

By Nicholas Lemann, February 6, 1974
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But because his career has been so bizarre, it's not likely that anyone will ever herald Garrison as a champion of New South politics.....

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/commen...ent-851438
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The 1991 movie release, JFK sparked renewed interest in the assassination as well as the prosecution itself of Clay Shaw. The film was purportedly based on Garrison's book, On the Trail of Assassins, and sympathetically portrayed Garrison.
The GQ article published by Lemann took a different slant, expressing his view that Shaw's prosecution was built on flimsy evidence and was a tremendous embarrassment to the city.2 The thrust of Lemann's article was his opinion countering that expressed by Stone in his film release JFK, to wit:
(See Letters to GQ, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Stone%20Oliver%20JFK%20Movie/Gentleman's%20Quarterly/Item%2002.pdf
An excerpt from the introduction to Lemann's lengthy response.:
…Printing both sides of the story has never been a fundamental rule of magazine journalism.
Magazines are supposed to be feisty and opin-ionated. So it's with a sense of futility that I
rebut Sklar's points….

Jim, as I said, it is as if you and I are not even speaking the same language. Readers will have to decide the significance of the non-disclosure
of Nicholas B Lemann, Jim Garrison, Clay Shaw, and possibly Sklar and Stone, of what is described above.

...and the sincerity of these sentiments, attributed to Garrison's wife's first cousin and brother of CIA's David Baldwin.:

From my unpublished, Jan. 29, 2016 article:

Baldwin's brother, attorney Edward M. Baldwin, and Stephen B. Lemann were representing Townley and Sheridan, and Baldwin was also representing William Gurvich. Edward M. Baldwin's former law partner, Judge Malcolm V. O'Hara testified to Orlean's Parish grand jury,

…He (Edward M. Baldwin) enumerated or spelled out his personal dislike for Jim Garrison, that he personally thought he should be destroyed, that Sheridan's so-calledmission in the City of New Orleans with this so-called documentary was to end the problem, destroy Garrison or to get him to resign....

Readers will also have to decide if there is any debate as to whether Garrsion was pursuing "the right suspects." The background and the results
raise the suspicion that Garrison was not actually pursuing anybody. His silence in response to all that I've presented above, and Shaw's as well,
should be deeply disturbing to everyone, including the man behind the $41 million production, "JFK, the movie," as well as supporters of Columbia Graduate School of Journalism's Dean Emeritus, Nicholas B Lemann.