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Alan Ford Wrote:
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:But getting back to Wesley.

The other problem is this: The whole bag and curtain rods story was denied by Oswald. Therefore it had to originate with Frazier or his sister, or the police.

Second, how did the paper get from the TSBD to either Beckley or the Paine house? No one has ever been able to explain that. The testimony of Troy West is pretty solid here. He dispensed the wrapping tape. Never left his post, not even for lunch. Never saw Oswald approach him for tape.

The FBI tested the paper and found no lubricant on it. Even though the rifles were alleged soaked in cosmoline before their voyage over to America.

Something really smells about this story.

Excellent points all around, Mr. DiEugenio.

*Sidebar: @Mr. Josephs or anyone else familiar with Mr. Alyea's recollection of if he saw any evidence of a paper bag during the initial search (not the scripted versions, but actually doing the initial search during the immediate aftermath).

Did the emergence of the paper bag come about before Mr. Frazier was picked up by DPD detectives (Rose and Stovall), Or afterwards?

I'm just having a hard time thinking anyone could miss the large bag on public display by the DPD in front of the TSBD later that afternoon (hell, with all due respect, Grammy Award winning music artist Stevie Wonder couldn't have missed a bag that big). Yet, no one else save for the contingent on 5th Street in Irving managed to see it.

Something is certainly amiss here.


*Final thought this evening: We know Mr. Frazier gave the wrongfully accused rides to and from work on Friday's and Monday's. Do we know how the wrongfully accused got to work on Tuesday--Thursday?

Another bit of info on the paper bag....

The follow refers to a change the FBI had made to a report DRAIN filed about a conversation with DAY.

This report contradicts those who not only claimed to have seen the bag but the photos of Montgomery with the bag

It also mentions how only TRULY sees this bag and provides the paper. We know Ozzie did not make it and Monty is in the TSBD for hours before coming down with it (I also suggest you read Day, Studebakers and Monty's account of the bag... plays like the keystone cops).

There are also a large batch of images all related to the original bag, the replica bag and who knows what else


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Mr. BELIN. What did you do with the bag after you found it and you put this writing on after you dusted it?
Mr. DAY. I released it to the FBI agent.
Mr. BELIN. Did you take it down to the station with you?
Mr. DAY. I didn't take it with me. I left it with the men when I left. I left Detectives Hicks and Studebaker to bring this in with them when they brought other equipment in.


Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a paper sack in the items that were taken from the Texas School Book Depository building?
Mr. HICKS. Paper bag?
Mr. BALL. Paper bag.
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. STUDEBAKER. Johnson and Montgomery - they were with me all the time over in that one corner.

Mr. STUDEBAKER. I don't know - I picked it up and dusted it and they took it down there and sent it to Washington and that's the last I have seen of it, and I don't know.
Mr. BALL. Did you take a picture of it before you picked it up?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No.


Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, sir. We found this brown paper sack or case. It was made out of heavy wrapping paper. Actually, it looked similar to the paper that those books was wrapped in. It was just a long narrow paper bag.
Mr. BELIN. Where was this found?
Mr. JOHNSON. Right in the corner of the building.
Mr. BELIN. On what floor?
Mr. JOHNSON. Sixth floor.
Mr. BELIN. Which corner?
Mr. JOHNSON. Southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know who found it?
Mr. JOHNSON. I know that the first I saw of it, L. D. Montgomery, my partner, picked it up off the floor, and it was folded up, and he unfolded it.

Mr. JOHNSON. I would say that the sack was folded up here and it was east of the pipes in the corner. To the best of my memory, that is where my partner picked it up. I was standing there when he picked it up.

Mr. BELIN. You were standing there when he picked it up?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, because the Crime Lab was already finished where I was, and I had already walked off to where he was.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Right over here is where we found that long piece of paper that looked like a sack, that the rifle had been in.
Mr. BALL. Does that have a number--that area--where you found that long piece of paper?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. It's No. 2 right here.
Mr. BALL. You found the sack in the area marked 2 on Exhibit J to the Studebaker deposition. Did you pick the sack up?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Which sack are we talking about now?
Mr. BALL. The paper sack?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. The small one or the larger one?
Mr. BALL. The larger one you mentioned that was in position 2.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You picked it up?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Wait just a minute no; I didn't pick it up. I believe Mr. Studebaker did. We left it laying right there so they could check it for prints.

Mr. Ball then goes off in another direction with his questioning.... I guess he didn't see this captioned photo


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"It was immediately locked up by DAY, kept in his possession until it was turned over to FBI Agent DRAIN....



https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_...Wrong.html

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