01-06-2016, 02:37 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2016, 03:01 PM by Albert Doyle.)
Jim Hargrove Wrote:Victoria Adams, who worked in the TSBD, told the WC that she observed a man standing on the corner of Houston and Elm a few minutes after the assassination who may have been Jack Ruby. Across the street Mrs. Louis Velez, and two co-workers, saw Ruby walking up and down the street near the TSBD. When LEE Oswald came out of the building, they saw Ruby give a pistol to him. The women knew Oswald, who ate with them at a nearby restaurant, and both were acquainted with Jack Ruby. Mrs. Velez told her story of Ruby giving Oswald a pistol to her mother (Mrs. Evelyn Harris), who was interviewed by FBI agent Manning on 11/30/63. Neither Mrs. Velez nor her co-workers were interviewed by the DPD or FBI and given the opportunity to confirm or deny their story. If their story is true, then Ruby was deeply involved in the assassination. Ruby knew and associated with LEE Oswald in the summer of 1963, while HARVEY and Marina were living in New Orleans.[SUP]1 [/SUP]
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Didn't mean to imply doubt. We all know that one Oswald left the Depository and was witnessed by Roger Craig getting into a station wagon. We need to establish judicial license on this and just be able to refer to it as an accepted fact for expediency in the CT world. Otherwise there's too much detailed explaining involved that gums up the works. We should also establish judicial license that Craig was 'Hit List' murdered because of his dangerous witnessing of a CIA double and his refusal to back down.
This issue is interesting because Frazier's Oswald left the rear of the Depository and walked down the sidewalk on Houston and crossed Elm. I assume Frazier is talking about Harvey who then got on the set-up bus. I'll leave it to others with better attention spans for detail to determine if Frazier should have seen Lee also exit the front. If he did it would explain a lot of things. We also have to add the condition of FBI and DPD not seeking witnesses and consider how that filter accounted for the lack of witnesses for this.
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Didn't mean to imply doubt. We all know that one Oswald left the Depository and was witnessed by Roger Craig getting into a station wagon. We need to establish judicial license on this and just be able to refer to it as an accepted fact for expediency in the CT world. Otherwise there's too much detailed explaining involved that gums up the works. We should also establish judicial license that Craig was 'Hit List' murdered because of his dangerous witnessing of a CIA double and his refusal to back down.
This issue is interesting because Frazier's Oswald left the rear of the Depository and walked down the sidewalk on Houston and crossed Elm. I assume Frazier is talking about Harvey who then got on the set-up bus. I'll leave it to others with better attention spans for detail to determine if Frazier should have seen Lee also exit the front. If he did it would explain a lot of things. We also have to add the condition of FBI and DPD not seeking witnesses and consider how that filter accounted for the lack of witnesses for this.
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Jim Hargrove Wrote:John always believed that both Harvey and Lee were in or by the TSBD during the shooting, but your scenario involving Baker and Truly never occurred to him until I read him one of your posts while talking on the phone. He thought your take was definitely possible, but I don't think he knows how to research it any further. Any ideas?
I think Jim D has some explaining to do. This latest Armstrong offering has crossed a line where Jim D has to account for his open endorsement of ROKC. That crank Australian site openly denies the Armstrong theory. Jim has made the mistake of thinking Baker's omission of the lunch room encounter is explained by the ROKC version. This latest offering by Armstrong shows there could be a very plausible other reason for Baker's waffling with the lunch room encounter other than the Murphy theory. I watch Jim D's posts. He stays well clear of ever committing on this. In my opinion this latest offering from Armstrong now forces people to explain themselves.
In any case Armstrong's offering here now firmly places both Oswald's in the Depository. It places Lee just a few steps from Harvey's position in the lunch room. You have to imagine any Lee and Harvey sightings in the Depository were the first priority of the cover-up since they would automatically expose the bizarre spook core of the plot that could only come from an Intel source. These witnessings would be the first to disappear and Baker's omission of the event from reports would be easily explained, considering Intel's imperative. ROKC stupidly misses the fact that many of the discrepancies they cite are all easily explained by what Armstrong describes here. Intel killed Ralph Yates because he too refused to back down from this dangerous witnessing. Nice to know our benevolent democracy government is staffed by Gestapo killers. How quaint.
Jim Hargrove Wrote:After talking with witness Ted Callaway Patrolman H.W. Summers reported that he had an "eyeball witness to the getaway man." The suspect was described as having black wavy hair, wearing an Eisenhower jacket of light color, with dark trousers and a white shirt. He was "apparently armed with a .32, dark finish, automatic pistol," which he had in his right hand. However, if an automatic pistol was used to kill Tippit, three of the spent shell casings would have been ejected at the point where Oswald began shooting Tippit and would have landed on 10th St. (near the passenger side of Tippit's squad car). After Oswald shot Tippit in the head, at point blank range, the last shell casing would have been ejected onto the pavement on 10th St., which it was not. Barbara and Virginia Davis watched Oswald as he crossed in front of their house and crossed their lawn, using his right hand to shake empty shells from an open revolver into his left hand. Two shell casings were recovered near a bush in the Davis' side yard on 10th St., about 50-60 ft. from the front of Tippit's squad car where the shots were fired.[SUP]2 [/SUP][SUP]
Thanks for this. It appears it was a revolver. I assume Harvey had a separate revolver and that the evidence had to be tampered with to frame him for Tippit's murder.
While it might be speculation, Armstrong's Westbrook/Croy theory is a very educated guess that fits. Westbrook and Croy's stories are highly fishy and the down-time they are explaining away with unbelievable excuses fits their presence and participation at the Tippit murder scene and matches police sightings that never had any names.
The torn dollar bill is prima facie evidence of a covert operation. Its concealment is even stronger evidence of same. The torn bill should be pushed because it hits at visceral level that will overcome the usual public resistance. It could be possible Lee had the other half of the torn dollar bill.
Armstrong is the first class detective work that was never done in this case because those whom the public trusted to do that detective work were part of the conspiracy and coup. America turns out to be quite a different place than how it describes itself. They even kill women like Mary Pinchot Meyer (that Jim D also denies).
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