16-06-2016, 08:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 16-06-2016, 10:13 AM by David Guyatt.)
Drew Phipps Wrote:Ok so this eyewitness guy heard Mateen tell someone there were four shooters, with 2 suicide vests, and snipers waiting to kill the police when they arrived. All that was lies. There were no suicide vests, even on Mateen. There were no snipers. As far as we know.
Mateen's one sided telephone conversation hearsay evidence simply isn't credible evidence of a conspiracy. For one thing, we know Mateen told lies about Daesh. He lied to his father about being gay; but not apparently, to the ex-wife. For another thing, why wouldn't one lone wolf with multiple hostages pretend to have confederates in order to maintain crowd control? How do we even know for sure that Mateen was actually talking to a real person during this part of the incident? He didn't mention snipers or bombs during his 911 call. He didn't mention that stuff when he called the TV station.
I think the guy just got tired of waiting for the cops to come gun him down, so he started making phony threatening calls to keep his hostages quiet and to make sure the cops were armed and ready.
You might well be right Drew. The two "flags" that suggest something deeper still may be in play, are his father's connection to the CIA and ISI, and his own connection with the security company that had its own roots in the CIA and a host of prior dirty tricks. Perhaps these connections really are coincidental, but I doubt it. Also, I find it complicated about the ISIS thing. Let's face it, it's an awful and bloody outfit, but that didn't stop the US government from nurturing and arming it and directing it to fight it's wars for it - and, in fact, creating it. John McCain used to speak to "these guys" every day, he said. In other words, ISIS is the best enemy money can buy.
We've been here before. Many times. So it is quite understandable to look deeper and with a cynical eye. Gladio operations in Europe during the cold war have shown the way. Here in the UK, the use of former SAS types to leave bombs, and to indiscriminately shoot people in the street and blame those events on the IRA were yet another series of false flag operations. In almost all the major terrorist events I can think of (off the top of my head), the perpetrators were later shown to have had connections or been subject to earlier recruitment efforts by the domestic intelligence and security agencies.
Just saw this which is apposite:
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14