Orlando, Fla. (home of giant theme parks) has 2 high profile murders in under 24 hours

[David Guyatt]

I'm open to hearing how the same person, i.e. "Munoz" can turn up and be interviewed in four different crises across the country. How about listing some of those other ways. You can't say it's not the same person.

I appreciate you telling me what I can't say :-)

Let me ask this if I may. Do you find this video to be convincing?

https://verumetinventa.wordpress.com/201...-5-events/

Yup. Same person and unexplainable in other ways ASAIK. So, where is the BS?

With all due respect, if you believe those images are of the same woman, then what I have to say is just for others that may be reading.

For the most part, these images are not of the same person. The exception being the Boston (upper right of the compiled image of four individual pictures) and Watertown (lower left)--which is essentially the same place and event. They may or may not be the same person, we barely see the person on the lower left (Watertown) but the person on the upper right, 'Boston', is definitely not the Munoz pictured in the upper left.

Also, there is a presentation of a bio of Munoz, consistent with the image of the woman from Newton MA, which actually serves to corroborate that Munoz is a person living and working in that area!

The transportation secretary image is a total red herring, and the author of the page even admits that and links to videos where he debunked himself.

I know you said I couldn't say what I just said, so edit as needed. ;-) But seriously, thanks for the conversation.

There are very serious issues with Orlando that the corporate media misrepresent and ignore because they are not doing the job of a free press; they have been 'captured' by outside interests. But this focus on 'crisis actors' just weakens the greater arguments. I will add that I do believe there are attention seekers at times of crisis; people that lie about their stories for face time. The most famous such case was about a woman that lied about her 9/11 experience--I think there was a book or movie and she was exposed after many years. But this is very different than implying that there are actors coordinated with shooters/bombers. Anything is possible, but this 'Munoz' is not evidence of such.

I'm with Lauren on this. So far as I'm concerned they're very clearly the same woman. Yes, there have been various attempts to change her looks but unless she has three twins it's her, I think. So we'll have to agree to differ on this. But I do agree that it is not the overriding issue here.

Meanwhile, the FBI tried to coerce Mateen's wife not to say he was gay, she claims (see below). If this is true then how can we trust anything the government and its agencies say or do when they're always trying to manipulate facts in order to manipulate public perceptions? Even as late as today the FBI keeps on pressing the ISIL button to scare the public.

So, I suppose, the question we now need to ask, is to what degree does a Gladio strategy of tension operation differ from a lone gunman event, when the state manipulates the news to create the same level of fear/loathing that a strategy of tension operation is designed to cause?

Another question would be is it possible for a person like Mateen to be psychologically modified over a period of time to become a crazy lone gunman? Based on decades old research and by now old "science" related to MKULTRA, the answer must surely be yes. So perhaps we are seeing a subtler new paradigm shift in these operations? In other words, the gradual manipulation of susceptible people's psychological fears and weaknesses to "focus" them to undertake an atrocity like Orlando.

Whatever the answers of these questions may eventually turn out to be, the end result is more or less the same: the modification of public perceptions and opinions for nefarious purposes. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the greater geopolitical context of this event. The clue is ISIL. At the moment that translates as Syria.

A secondary reason may well be a move to reduce gun ownership in the US.

FBI Told Orlando Shooter's Wife Not to Tell US Media He Was Gay

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• People take part in a candlelight memorial service the day after a mass shooting at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, U.S. June 13, 2016. | Photo: Reuters
  

Published 16 June 2016

In an interview with Brazilian TV, the ex-wife of Omar Mateen claimed the U.S. agency told her to keep quiet about his homosexuality.


The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation told the former wife of the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, Sitora Yusufiy, not to speak of his homosexuality or the fact that she, his family and others believed he was gay, Yusufiy's current fiance, Marco Dias, told a Brazilian TV channel in an interview.

Dias told the Brazilian television station SBT Brazil Tuesday that Yusufiy believed Mateen was gay and that his father called him gay several times in front of her. However, "the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media."
Since the attack, Mateen has been dubbed an "Islamic terrorist" by politicians, senior officials and commentators in the U.S. following reports he had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group.
However, the idea that he could have been a closet-homosexual indicates that the Orlando shooting might have been a deeply felt and personal act of hate.
The FBI and law enforcement in the United States have so far been pursuing the "Islamist terrorism" angle and their alleged demand from Mateen's ex-wife to keep mum about his homosexuality suggests they want to downplay the personal and self-hating nature of the attack in favor of the Islamic terrorism-related one.

Since his attack on the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, the developing narrative surrounding Mateen's life is that of a troubled human being who had a history of domestic violence, a struggle with his sexual orientation, as well as an inclination toward a radical version of Islam.
However, in addition to recently pledging allegiance to the Islamic State group, Mateen had previously shown support for both al-Qaida and Hezbollah, who have radically different interpretations of Islam and are in fact bitter enemies.
This suggests Mateen had an extremely shallow and confused understanding of Islam as he failed to comprehend the social and political differences between the diferent groups. Hezbollah are currently fighting against the Islamic State and other radical Sunni groups in Syria.

Furthermore, Yusufiy has told the media that her ex-husband started to emotionally and physically abuse her just months into their marriage. She said he exploded in anger and often beat her while also keeping her hostage, which led her family to "literally rescue" her from the abusive relationship and Mateen's mental instability.
To add to this a former male classmate of Mateen said he had been asked out romantically by the mass shooter, who was reported to be a regular at the Pulse nightclub, having visited it more than a dozen times over the years.

Reports also suggest the attacker used several gay dating apps and communicated with several users. Kevin West, a regular at Pulse, told the Los Angeles Times he had exchanged messages with Mateen on an app.
And now, it seems the overwhelming reports and testimonies pointing to Mateen's personal motives are forcing the FBI to pursue a different angle.

On Wednesday gay dating apps Jack'd and Grindr said they had been contacted by the FBI as part of the Orlando shooting investigation. They also said they could not provide information on whether Mateen had profiles on those sites as such details are now part of a classified investigation.
A spokesman for dating app Grindr also indicated they have been contacted by authorities. In response to an inquiry from BuzzFeed News, the company announced: "We will continue to cooperate with the authorities and do not comment on ongoing investigations."

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