21-07-2016, 04:26 AM
Danny Jarman Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:More and more progressive Turks are talking of leaving Turkey for now, if not permanently. While most of these at this time are well educated and can likely fit in in Europe or where they go, if the average Turks try to leave and flood Europe to get away from a growing dictatorship, look for BIG problems in Europe, reacting to a new flood of refugees.
Well over 60.000 now arrested or have lost their jobs....no coup is ever that big...these are Stalin-like purges of ideological opponents and suspected opponents. I don't know how one makes a logical argument [one can't] for the forced resignation of EVERY single higher education dean throughout Turkey. Specific instructors were also fired from lists long ago drawn up [pre-coup]. I think the existence of these lists is very sinister and interesting. All opposition media have been closed. This 'house cleaning' will surely continue. At what point will the Turkish public start to object publicly. They are very quietly privately, but are even afraid now to Tweet or post on internet sites their opposition to what is going on - yet.
They can just vote Erdogan out in the next election....
Under normal circumstances the next election that could remove Erdogan would be about Oct of 2019...quite a long time from now. In that time he could stop the democratic process or so corrupt it as to assure his re-election even if that were not the will of the Turkish population. Even in the USA 'elections' are mostly a sham and dog and pony show, and can be manipulated in many ways to effect the outcome against the natural public will. Erdogan has already shown his inclination to be 'Sultan' rather than President. I don't think democracy will increase or even stay the same in Turkey under his tenure...... The mass arrests before indictment, and mass firings even more so only back up what I'm suggesting. Turkey is not unique in moving away from democratic principals - it seems to be the trend lately with the USA, France, Russia, UK and many other nations all around the World headed in that direction, sadly. Many are using terrorism as the excuse and this seems to be the case in Turkey too....the coup is being branded as a kind of terrorism and secret state action.
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