09-11-2016, 08:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-11-2016, 08:27 PM by Cliff Varnell.)
It's all over now, baby blue.
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Bob Kall's analysis
The combined machinationsof the DNC, Superdelegates and the Hillary Clinton campaign have set backDemocratic and progressive progress by 20 or more years. This article exploresthe damage done and who to blame.
Let's start with ascreaming reality. All the polls showed that Bernie would have done far betterthan Hillary in the general election.
So?
What does that have to do with Hillary getting 16.9 million votes versus Bernie's 13.2?
What did the Super Delegates have to do with that?
Bernie Sanders would have won. He wouldhave won big and his coat-tails would havecarried Russ Feingold and probably many other senate and house candidates.
Any Democrat would have beaten Trump.
But only one Democrat was subject to non-stop investigation and the interference of Comey/Assange/Putin/cable-news.
There are a number oftargets for blame. But before we talk about who to blame, l let's talk aboutwhat the targets of blame should be blamed for:
1-rigging the Democraticprimary or allowing it to happen-- that would be rigging by the DNC, rigging bycollusion of the DNC, the Clinton Campaign and the MSM, rigging by localDemocratic committee people and other leaders who obstructed fair and openprimaries and problems with primary voting. Repeat studies have shown that eventhe vote counting was rigged for some of the primaries.
I'd like to see more than the accusation.
What studies?
Did Hillary steal almost 4 million votes?
Where?
How?
2-Loss of the Senate: ATop Down disaster-- the DNC leadership, with Obama rigged many state primaryelections for senate and house Democratic candidates-- designating losers basedon the criteria that they would be obsequious to the DNC.
Like who?
Who did the DNC rig a Senate nomination for?
3-Loss of the House. SameTop Down rigging problem. I believe that Bernie Sanders could have won theelection big, with huge coat-tails that could have carried many house races. Millennialsand independents who stayed home would have come out to vote, to engage inGOTV.
True. That point has already been made. But show where Hillary stole 4 million votes, please.
Let's review. Clinton and Bernie tied in Iowa -- first caucus up -- and the next week Bernie won New Hampshire primary big.
He needed to win Nevada after that but he got clobbered there, lost by six points. Then he got killed in South Carolina and all the Southern "Super Tuesday" states and could never catch up.
He put out a beautiful ad based on Paul Simon's "America" but he left it so full of white folks it was a turn off to minorities.
4-Loss of the Scaliareplacement seat on the Supreme Court and who knows how many more.
Check.
5-Loss of voters whoshifted from Democrat or left leaning independent to become Trump Supporters.
Check. A VP pick of Warren or Sanders would have avoided this. Kaine was a big mistake.
6-Corruption of themainstream media-- allowing and encouraging supposedly impartial media people tobecome flaming shills.
The MSM gave Trump nothing but free air time and never called him out on his lies.
7-Corruption of thejustice system-- the DOJ and the USA's intelligence agencies.
James Comey committed treason. Check.
8-rigging of the electionsystem. The Democrats were out-rigged. They should have learned up electionsover the last eight years and they didn't
Now, let's talk aboutwho's to blame. I'm sure that the rabid Hillbots-- the people who were thenastiest attackers of Bernie Sanders and his supporters, will blame BernieSanders and his supporters, especially the tiny fraction who supported JillStein or who stayed home.
No, the blame goes on the treasonous, mainstream news media and the foreign and domestic actors who fed into Clinton Fatigue to the point where the only way to stop hearing about Hillary's e-mails was to vote Trump.
Sorry dears, but you were either so intoxicated thatyou were going to elect a first female president or you just bought the propaganda that Hillary was the "most experiencedpresidential candidate ever" nonsense.
No, I went for the Donald Trump is an emotionally deformed neo-Nazi bit.
Either way, you ignoredthe reality that she is a toxically, morbidly flawed, dishonest, corrupt,historically despised candidate.
Because she got e-mails!
Criminalizing the selling of access is a joke since all American politicians and media figures sell access.
The media spent 18 months hammering her over nothing.
And they didn't even catch the one egregious move revealed in the Podesta dump -- the Clintons sold access to Dow Chemical.
But where was the quid pro quo?
Where was any quid pro quo?
You deluded yourselves to believe that becauseshe'd been Secretary of State she had historic experience. The problem is, themajority of the people of America saw through her experience claims andbelieved what Bernie said, that her experience was bad experience, includingher voting for the Iraq war.
And the MSM allowed Trump to flat out lie unchallenged for months about his support for the Iraq War while hammering Hillary over the e-mails.
So, first to blame arethe Uber-Hillary supporters. They could have been awake and smart enough to,from the grass roots, bottom up, reject the DNC's massive selling of Hillary.
Please point out this "massive selling" in the early caucus/primary states of Nevada and South Carolina.
This is blaming the victim.
But next, and maybe evenmore, the DNC and the leadership of the Democratic party are to blame,collaborating with the mainstream media, particularly MSNBC and CNN, forrigging the primary and keeping the candidate who would have won by pullingindependents-- Bernie Sanders.
They served up a big fat juicy issue -- but Bernie wouldn't go there on the "damn e-mails."
Start with the DNCleadership and the vast majority of Democratic power holders-- all theSuperdelegates who committed to Hillary before Bernie Sanders was even in therace.
And these super delegates caused Bernie to lose Nevada and South Carolina? He had the momentum -- then he stalled and never recovered.
Some were bought by the Clinton foundation. Some were bought bycorporations and billionaires. A small few were fools and cowards. GiveElizabeth Warren that small benefit of the doubt-- that she was a fool or cowardand hadn't sold out. But be assured, shewas a big part of Trump's victory. She should have supported the onlyprogressive candidate.
And she was going to get 4 million blacks and Hispanics to vote for Bernie?
Try again.
There is only one waythat the people who consider themselves Democrats or left of Republican canrespond, and that is to excoriate, ban and purge ALL of the malignantly wrong,failed Democratic leaders.
Now we're talking!
You bet.
Clinton screwed up, put herself in a position to be under-mined with her ham-handed e-mail explanations (I mean seriously, she screwed the pooch under pressure and gave the Republicans a chance to rig a winnable election) and we need to get these corporate Dems OUT!
That should happen immediately at the bottom upgrass roots level, with an uprising that throws out all the state and localcommittee people who rigged their state primaries to favor Hillary
How and where did that occur?
Specifics, please.
or to favorthe House and Senate picks the corporate shills and power hungry fools at thetop of the DNC pecking order designated.
It's good that Harry Reidand Barack are leaving. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is supposedly gone, but, Idon't trust that she's really gone. Chris Van Hollen, who DWS replaced as DNChead is now a senator. He should be banned from participation in leadership.Charles Schumer, be assured, was a major influencer in helping to rig theDemocratic primary.
Don't care for Shumer myself but please point out what primary was rigged and how.
He is on track to become the senate minority leader. Thatshould not happen. The Black Caucus PAC leaders who lied and distorted to supportHillary-- they should lose all influence and power in the actual Black Caucus.Most of the Progressive Caucus members in the House should be voted out ofoffice, except for the few who supported Bernie.
We need more and better Democrats, agreed.
Of course, theseincompetent, politically malpracticing losers will blame the people who weretoo disgusted to vote for Hillary-- Berners, Millennials, people with theintegrity to refuse to vote for a lesserevil, lying, corrupt candidate hated by more than any Democratic candidate inmodern history.
Let's see -- we get to see all her e-mails, all of Huma's e-mails, all of Podesta's e-mails, all the DNC e-mails, drafts of her Goldman speeches, and the FBI notes on the email investigation.
What have you got?
Calling Bernie a doofus and charging Dow Chemical a shit-load for a sit down.
Wow...if peddling access like that were an actual crime all American politicians and media figures would be in jail.
If criminalizing politics is your thing -- be even handed about it.
The real blame for the#DemDisaster should be laid on the DNC and the rabid Hillary supporters whowere in total denial that a profoundly flawed, lying, corrupt, hated candidatecould somehow win.
Hated because...e-mails!
The American people were battered with this exact same propaganda for a year and a half and the only way the beating could stop was to vote Trump.
Hillbots will blameBerners who voted 3rd party for her loss No! Your Awful judgment gave Trump theWhite House"""This was an election where people voted AGAINST a candidate.Hillary was more hated than Trump The DNC should have known.
What were they going to do about Hillary being the subject of a witch hunt?
Tell her not to run because...e-mails?
No. I'm sure theyknew and went ahead anyway. They read the pulse of America so badly that theyarrogantly, Top Down inflicted Hillary on the Democratic party.
Again, point to one state where the DNC made a shred of difference.
Just one.
Joe Scarborough says,"this morning that this is not a morning for the Republican establishment tocelebrate. This is a morning that the Republican establishment has been smashedinto a million pieces." If that's true then the Democratic establishment shouldbe smashed into a billion pieces.
Bottom line--
Morning Joe is a piece of shit and his analysis is garbage.
The Republican establishment will give Trump something ceremonial to do then takeover what will pass for governing.
DNC and media Demleadership should be banned and purged, starting from the bottom up, or itwon't happen. Begin by running out the local committee people who did all theycould to prevent fair, open elections in the primaries.
What primary wasn't open and fair, again?
More than contenless accusations, please.
Don't buy theirinevitable excuses, that it was the Russian hackers faults or the fault of theless than one percent of people who voted for Jill Stein. This was an electionlost by the DNC.
2- MSNBC & CNN handedthe election to Trump by steamrolling over Sanders,
No, they handed him an issue on a silver platter and he was too decent a man to take advantage.
The corporate media would have loved to run a Republican against a socialist!
setting up Clinton for herinevitable fall. Start watching the alternative TV shows and readingnews websites which never bought the DNC propaganda.
Or regurgitate Dominionist attacks on Clinton disguised as left analysis.