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The Liberal Elite Enabled Trump's Victory
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David Guyatt Wrote:
Cliff Varnell Wrote:I've said this before -- John Pilger knows fuck-all about America -- our people, our politics, our society.

In the midst of this victim-shaming, a touch of realpolitik:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/core...ce7aa97d7c

Corey Lewandowski Credits FBI Director James Comey With Helping Donald Trump Win

"With 11 days to go in this election cycle, something amazing happened."

We knew what we were getting with Clinton.

We knew what we were getting with Trump.

We knew that Trump would be infinitely worse, no matter how bad Clinton was.

What do you call it when, in a two party system, one party relentlessly investigates the other party's leaders over trivialities?

Fascism.

What do you call it when the top law enforcement officer in the country announces a bogus investigation into a candidate 11 days from an election?

Fascism.

We need to get this right.

I'm with Magda on this. 100%. You're posting your usual uninformed and emotional tosh.

Not only does Pilger know more than most Americans (who for me walk around in a willingly induced daze of ignorance) about US political life -- he knows more about US foreign affairs than you ever will. And whereas you don't regard foreign affairs with much interest, the fact is that it remains the absolute bedrock of US power and is the one thing the elite understand is the key to their continuation.

Which elite?

Your contention that I have little interest in foreign affairs is a contentless dismissal.

Your analyses lack nuance and true insight because you don't grasp the bi-polar nature of the American ruling elites.

Quote:And stop fooling yourself. America has not had a functioning two-party political system in the US for decades. The Demo-publican political system has been completely dominated by the wealthy elite who run America for their own benefit.

There is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.

There is the corporate wing of the Republican Party.

Basically indistinguishable.

But the Democratic base is nothing like the Republican base.

Base Democrats stand up to the corporate wing on many occasions -- the Republican base never stands up to the corporatists in their own party.

The Democratic base has a chance to influence the corporatists -- a chance! -- but with a Republican President we stand no chance.

The Republican base is more interested in ushering in a Christian Republic, and the Republican Party caters to these bible-thumpers.

Quote:Fascism has been a long time coming and repeatedly discussed on this forum for a very long time too. Did you think the Patriot Act, Homeland Security (de facto state security), institutional torture of the very worst kind, state sanctioned kidnapping (rendition), drone assassinations, para-militarization of the police, medical experiments on prisoners, the increasing cases of outright murder of citizens by the police, massive surveillance of the population etc., were ACTS of democracy for Christ's sake?

No, the acts of democracy are in the on-going push back against those policies.

Organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union and Black Lives Matter actively fight against the militarization of police.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law...tarization

In 2015 there was push back against mass surveillance with the passage of the Cybersecurity Act of 2015.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/politics/s...t-act-nsa/

While it's true that Obama gave the National Security State the drone wars, the crackdown on whistle-blowers, the mis-adventures in Ukraine and Libya,
Obama out-maneuvered them to negotiate the removal of chemical weapons from Syria, nuke material from Iran, and began a diplomatic opening to Cuba.

None of those things would have happened under a Republican administration.

Cops are probably killing people of color as much as they ever have -- the difference is public awareness. The proliferation of cell phone cameras and social media have shined so much light on police criminality some cops are actually getting prosecuted for their crimes.


Quote:All these were "fascist" in their design and implementation and your slept-walked through them.

The Nazi's would've wet themselves living in America since 9/11.

Yes, because as we know the Nazis were famously tolerant of active protests.

They'd have loved Bernie and his people, eh?

Quote:You've been dreaming through the last several decades and finally, finally, you've woken up to smell the coffee. But still you're not seeing the whole picture.

It beggars belief. It really does.

Once again proving irony is alive and well.
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The Liberal Elite Enabled Trump's Victory - by Cliff Varnell - 18-11-2016, 08:26 PM

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