24-11-2016, 12:42 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:...or they are not needed to scare the People...Trump is doing a good enough job of it.
Here in the US we had a workplace revenge shooting by folks who just happened to be Muslim, and we had a guy who couldn't handle being both gay and Muslim freak out in a nightclub.
That's it.
There are mass shootings all the time in the States, but on that rare occasion the gun nut (and they're always gun nuts) happens to be Muslim the right-wing loses their shit in fear.
Jihadi terrorism may be a problem in Europe, but over here it's practically nothing.
The original 1993 Twin Tower bombing looks like an FBI sting operation gone wrong.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...cbomb.html
The 9/11 attacks look like a Saudi intelligence operation aided and abetted by Dick Cheney.
The Boston Marathon bombers were not devout Muslims by any means, and a lot of folks think it was a US intel drill.
The Chattanooga shooter and the Fort Hood shooter were Jihadis.
The Buena Vista Township killer isn't a proven Jihadi -- the victims were not killed by beheading.
2011 Waltham throat slittings are unsolved.
In terms of actual Jihadi attacks in the U.S. there is practically nothing compared to killings by right-wingers -- the OKC bombing in '95, the Atlanta Olympics bombing in '96, the 2015 Charleston church killings, the 2015 Planned Parenthood attack in Colorado Springs and other abortion provider killings, the 2014 Jewish Community Center killings outside Kansas City, the 2012 Sikh Temple killings outside Milwaukee, the 2008 Tennessee Valley Unitarian church shootings, countless gay bashings, and nowadays scores of Trump-inspired hate crimes across the US.
What's more of a threat in the USA --Radical Christians or Radical Muslims?
There are grounds for agreement here, but also grounds for disagreement.
Generally I agree, although my interpretation of many of these events would - again generally - be far more cynical than yours. However, the point being made was that most of the ones I originally noted several days ago are officially categorized as Jihadi/Muslim nut-job terrorist acts (and not accidentally so in my opinion). But since you choose not to define your terms, I choose to respond in that same vein.
By the way there are some very good threads here (and elsewhere) on the Oklahoma bombings that you might wish to peruse --- because we are entering into the discussion of a subject matter that is deeply political in nature.
But if we're going to now discuss these US events in the context of what is genuine jihadi attacks and what are not, then the playing field needs to be even.
Thus it is important to point out that in Europe it is equally the case that there are huge questions hanging over the Charlie Hedbo attack, the Jewish supermarket killings, the Belgium airport bombings, London 7/7 etc., etc.
Back in the day of Gladio the assumed perpetrator of x number of terrorist bombings/attacks were fingered as the "Red Brigades" who were "associated" with the nassy ol' Soviet Union. In fact, the terrorist attacks were organized under the auspices of NATO to create a "strategy of tension" to ensure that popular democracy did not exert itself and vote for communist or left leaning governments in western Europe.
Thus, returning to the supposedly Jihadi and other acts of terror you mention, what I and many others suspect is that most of these were also Gladio style strategy of tensions events --- that have been activated in both the US and the EU --- presumably to keep the military-intelligence funding faucet gushing as well as keeping the public in fear and compliant as democracy is slowly choked and fascism/oligarchical control exerts an ever greater grip.
Ergo: the original premise (offered several days ago) was flawed to begin with.
I seriously question whether San Bernadino or Orlando were actual Jihadi attacks.
I know they are officially considered such, but I'd speculate these gun nuts would have gone off anyway.
7/7 was so fishy it'll make ya grow gills.
I suspect a real false flag attack is in the works by people under Trump, who they'd treat like a mushroom.
Hope they stay out of my neighborhood...