11-03-2017, 07:07 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2017, 07:22 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Up to a point this is a very interesting and perhaps potentially insightful piece. However, the thing I can't quite wrap my head around is how any 'progressive wing' of the Deep State could choose someone like Trump and his team. They may not be neocons in the 'historic' sense, but they [to me] have equally dangerous and damaging agendas - if keeping their fingers on a somewhat different scriptbook. I'm not rooting for any side of the Deep State. I'm rooting for finding a way to end it entirely before it ends all of us. I don't care to choose my poison - I don't want any, thanks. I can believe there has and I see signs of internecine warfare in the Deep State, but again, can't figure how they'd come up with a monster to battle a monster. The lesser of two monsters meme just doesn't make my day......and I remain totally unconvinced that the current 'team Trump' is a lesser evil at all. Different, yes. Less evil, no.
Peter, doesn't make my day either but one monster is gonna fix my body and the other monster won't.
Besides, there is no "rogue Deep State."
Smith labels Fascism progressive.
Trump is far more dangerous -- he's at war with rural poor folks as we speak. The people who elected him!
Cliff, You have made it clear you worry [with good reason] that under the current administration you will have to pay more or perhaps have no medical coverage other than using emergency rooms. This, sadly, will happen to tens of millions of persons soon it looks like. Yes, the Democrats are often better on several domestic issues and the Republicans don't even pretend to care except for their own small percentage of the rich and powerful. [oh, they pretend during an election cycle - but not after]. However, the foreign policy and the ratcheting up of the National Security State is bad [no horrible!] under both. FWIW, while I'd like to see the end to both of the heads of the two-headed monster, my guess is if we survive this administration, the Democrats will win a resounding victory. However, this will only fix a few things...your and others health care [in part - only a single payer system as in Europe will really work], allow the EPA to function again, undoing all the many wrecking crew actions of this current horror show. But, the National Security State will still be untouched and growing - and this is the problem. People will think the problem was fixed, but only superficial things will have been. To you your healthcare is not superficial, but in the grand scheme of things there are ways to get even better healthcare [national single payer] and get rid of the National Security State too. If one only settles for the lesser of evils one is left with an evil - and one so 'evil' it threatens life and liberty both inside and outside of the US. If people don't look beyond the superficial changes and differences between the two parties that are one Party - the American Business and National Security State Party, we are sunk and having health insurance when you're likely to be put in a DHS prison camp for protesting is a false victory.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass

