12-02-2018, 08:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2018, 09:01 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Maybe there are better threads to get into that debate which is tearing the Nation in two now. I was hoping to keep this mostly focused on Trump, his ethos [sic], his deeds, his times, our latest brush with the unspeakable in his evil administration and in that evil/sick man. I find the Democrats and many who dislike Trump also wanting, in many ways, and distorting some things related to the 'Russia' debate. Parts of it are IMO true, and much of it is not. But even those parts that are true are being misrepresented for political points and from a neo-Cold War outlook. Russia ultimately is not the enemy. Trump and neofascists like him in our own nation are much more dangerous than any boogey men in Russia. Russia has its mafioso and it oligarchs and its undemocratic authoritarian features - and so increasingly does the US. Russia has tried to effect our polity as we have tried to effect theirs and nearly everyone else's. The truth IMO lies somewhere in the middle of the two extreme current memes. People are so brain washed by the propaganda that everything is like a team sport - with two sides, choose one and one must win and one must loose. Reality is infinitely more complex than that and there is a continuum - not sides. This the the false paradigm that has destroyed US polity with the two 'teams' [parties] that seem different and are in some ways - even some important ways - but are also the same in many other ways and both will not allow other voices in the continuum to be heard. In Russia they play a similar game and don't allow anyone to really run against the strongman Putin who will be replaced someday by a new strongman. That is for the Russians to deal with, and we have our own problems to deal with. We have met the real enemy and the enemy is US [more than any other place/nation/philosophy/ethos]. There are many evil persons and groups outside of the USA and many we have had more than a hand in creating or making more powerful - some we had nothing to do with. Best to clean up our own house first before we point the finger and barrels of our weapons everywhere else........WE killed JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm and so many others. WE overthrew hundreds of nations and caused hundreds of millions of deaths since WWII. WE have been going around the World destabilizing, stealing, fomenting coups and impoverishing naturally rich lands. WE alone have destroyed two cities with nuclear weapons. WE pulled off 911 and so many other covert ops too numerous to list. WE have a lot of accounting to do and the old game used by Hitler as now used by Trump of blaming things on the outsider, the other, those that are or seem different is what brings war, hate, destruction, chaos, police states and fascism. Time to wake up USA, the hour is very late and the problem is here - not somewhere else.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass