Interview with Peter Levenda October 9, 2009 Sinister Forces

[Jan Klimkowski]

Peter Levenda is very good. Shame about the interviewer, who frequently tosses in red herrings....

Some interesting info about Manson and Scientology, including the claim that Manson's auditor later became a "friend" of Manson Family member, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme. Fromme of course later achieved additional notoriety as the manchurian patsy failed assassin of President Gerald Ford.

Hmmm.

According to Bugliosi (I know, I know, but his source appears to be prison records so the info may be accurate):

From HELTER SKELTER by Vincent T. Bugliosi:

A staff evaluation written in 1961 mentions that

Manson gave as his claimed religion `Scientologist,' stating that he `has never settled upon a religious formula for his beliefs and is presently seeking an answer to his question in the new mental health cult known as Scientology.'

Scientology, an outgrowth of science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics, was just coming into vogue at this time. Manson's teacher, i.e. `auditor', was another convict, Lanier Rayner. Manson would later claim that while in prison he achieved Scientology's highest level, `theta clear'. (ep. 240)

Meanwhile, according to the, ahem, Church of Scientology:

From a Scientology compliance report investigating Manson's possible involvement in Scientology in the wake of the Tate-LaBianca murders. (These were part of documents seized by the FBI from the Church of Scientology in 1977 and subsequently made available through the Freedom of Information act):

GS-C Comm GS-G 22 June 70 D/G Intell U.S.

Dear Mary Sue, COMPLIANCE REPORT

RE: MANSON, BRUCE DAVIS

There have been numerous new developments on this case and they are as follows.

An individual by the name of Steve Grogen appeared on our lines (PM). I received word that he had made statements that he was a member of Mansons family and therefore started some intell. action, which at first consisted of talking to the girls he had been in contact with. By the time I had finished talking to them Grogen had been put away in jail for car theft. In spite of numerous efforts on our part it was impossible to get together with him. I had the girl he seemed to be most in comm with, journey out to the valley on four different occasions to talk to him and in spite of our best efforts he was never made available. He was either "in court" or the jail was undergoing extensive re- decoration. Of course we did not want it known that a member of The Church was trying to see him. At the same time this was going on we received word that two members of the Manson Family "squeeky Frome" and "Sandy Goode" were staying at the Viking Motel on 3rd and Alverado which is in close proximity to the org. We made no efforts to contactthem.

On 18 June 80 the following report was received by me.

Report of interview with Raul Morales, Re: Charles Manson.

According to Raul: Raul arrived in prison on McNeil Island, Washington in 1962 and became a cell mate of Lafayette Raimer allegedly a trained Scientology auditor (about Level I in Raul's estimation) and was introduced to Scientology at that time. Raimer was auditing in prison at that time and in one 10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about 7, all in Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 hours of auditing from Raimer. Processes used were CCH's, Help processes (Who have you helped-Who have you not helped) and other Dichotomy processes (Rauls terms, such as What can you confront, what would you rather not confront), Havingness (Such as "What can you have?" "Look around and find something you can have. Look around and find something you're not in." Rainer kept recor records of his auditing. Manson got super-energetic & flipped out when he'd been audited and would, for a time, talk about nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away from his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run or something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- nement to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials got suspicious of the groups strange activities and broke up the group. Subsequently, Raul was released from the prison in 1965. Raimer's wife was in training here at the L.A. Org in 1965-66; she had disconnected from Raimer. Raul just found out yesterday that another friend, Marvin White, later sent Manson books (after the Scientology group was broken up) on hypnotism and black magic,

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Manson_Scientology.htm

So, Lanier Rayner? Or Lafayette Raimer? My suspicion is that the former is the correct form, and the latter is a misspelling based on oral intelligence recieved by the Scientologists. I can't immediately find any reference to the involvement of such a person with Fromme, but it would be provocative.

Levenda also mentions that, whilst in prison, after becoming a "Theta clear", Manson begged to be separated from his auditor, which is also suggested in the material above. Charlie Manson in too deep..... :bandit:

Plus, of course, there are the Manson Family members Bruce Davis and Charles "Tex" Watson connections to Scientology's bastard sprogs, The Process Church of the Final Judgement, and to Scientology in the UK. And those "unofficial" Manson Family murders....

The Bug again:

On November 21, 1969, the bodies of James Sharp, fiften, and Dorren
Gaul, nineteen, were found in an alley in downtown Los Angeles. The
two teen-agers had been killed elsewhere with a long-bladed kniife or
bayonet, then dumped there. Each had been stabbed over fifty times.

Ramparts division Leiutenant Earl Deemer investigated the Sharp-Gaul
murders, as did Los Angeles Times reporter Cohen. Although the two men
felt there was a good possibility that a Familty member was involved
in the slayings, the murders remain unsolved.

Both James Sharp and Doreen Gaul were Scientologists, the latter a
Scientology "clear" who had been residing in a Church of Scientology
house. According to unconfirmed reports, Doreen Gaul was a former girl
friend of Manson Family member Bruce Davis, himself an
ex-Scientologist.

Davis' whereabouts at the times of the murders of Sharp, Gaul and Jane
Doe 59 are not known. He disappeared shortly after being questioned in
connection with the death of Zero.

On December 1, 1969, Joel Dean Pugh, husband of Family member Sandy
Good, was found with his throat slit in a London hotel room. As noted,
local police ruled the death a suicide. On learning of Pugh's demise,
Inyo County DA Frank Fowles made official inquiries, specifically
asking Interpol to check visas to detrmine if one Bruce Davis was in
England at the time.

Scotland Yard replied as follows: "It has been established that Davis
is recorded as embarking at London airport for the United States of
America on 25th April 1969 while holding United States passport 612
2568. At this time he gave his address as Dormer Cottage, Felbridge,
Surrey. This address is owned by the Scientology Movement and houses
followers of this organization."

-- HELTER SKELTER by Vincent T. Bugliosi, page 647

http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/vi...p?p=885483