The Tippit Case in the New Millenium

[David Josephs]

Hill's WC testimony about his movements is worthless. He conspicuously omits the stop at 12th & Beckley with "a man in the car with me that can identify the suspect," reported at 1:26, rattling off nonsense in its place. Witness statements are easy to manipulate, radio logs much more difficult, and Hill sought to pre-empt discussion of undesirable subject matter by (in 21st century terms) spamming the threads, with eventual burial

And who would that man be?

He's at 12th & Beckley at 1:26 with a TIPPIT WITNESS already in his car...

Look at this map... Why 12th and Beckley?

And do we notice that Hill's route takes him right past 1026 N Beckley, 500 N Beckley, 10th & Patton before going to 12th and Beckley... but as you said... his testimony contradicts these transcripts... and while I agree that statements are easy to manipulate, the TRANSCRIPTS as opposed to the actual dictabelt or tapes can - and were - altered to change the timeline so Tippit occurs 10-12 minutes later.


I'm still working on this but have 1 more thing I'd like you to comment upon...

The 2 men in car #91 who patrol the part of Oak Cliff where Tippit was killed were never called to leave their area... only "downtown units" were asked to report to Elm/Houston.
They are the first patrolmen to call in their availability at 12:30, are ignored, and repeat it

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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]noise for 3 minutes, 11 seconds on this tape.[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 220, bgcolor: transparent"]1 (Chief of Police Jesse E. Curry)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 236, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Go to the hospital - Parkland Hospital. Have them stand by.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]603 (ambulance)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]603 out.[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73, width: 220, bgcolor: transparent"]1 (Chief of Police Jesse E. Curry)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74, width: 236, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Get a man on top of that triple underpass and see what happened up there.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]noise for 34 seconds on this tape.[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73, width: 220, bgcolor: transparent"]1 (Chief of Police Jesse E. Curry)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75, width: 236, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Have Parkland stand by.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]91 clear.[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73, width: 220, bgcolor: transparent"]Dallas 1 (Sheriff J.E. "Bill" Decker)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74, width: 236, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]I am sure it's going to take some time to get your man in there. Pull every one of my men in there.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]531, testing: 1 2 3 4.[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73, width: 220, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74, width: 236, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Dallas 1, repeat, I didn't get all of it. I didn't quite understand all of it.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]91 clear.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]55[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]10-4[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Anyone know where 56 is?[/TD]
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and are ignored again...

until the EXACT TIME TIPPIT IS KILLED with a 3 minute gap - are we to believe that there was radio silence for 3 minutes in the midst of all this?
Of course not... (it's even worse from 1:26 to 1:32 where once again there is radio silence on Ch 1)

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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]87, 78, move into central Oak Cliff area.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]I'm about Kiest and Bonnie View.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]87's going north on Marsalis at R.L. Thornton.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]78[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]78[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Lancaster and Eighth.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:54[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]10-4.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:04[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]91 clear.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:04 Count[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"] [/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:07[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]91 clear. 1:07.[/TD]
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When a unit calls in their # and "CLEAR" they are usually somewhere in their assigned patrol area...

But the fact remains... at 12:30 and again at 1:04 it APPEARS as if #91 is in Oak Cliff...

There is no broadcast to #91 prior to 12:54 instructing them to go anywhere.... so they SHOULD be in OAK CLIFF and therefore
no reason to order TIPPIT into the area at 12:45, or even check if he's there at 12:54...

Unless you are coordinating a meeting of some sort...

#91 is then ordered to an accident at 817 W Davis... 1 mile from 10th and Patton and obviously in the #91 Patrol district.... for they surely wouldn't send a man from the TSBD way out there... right?

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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]Signal 7, 817 West Davis. 1:11 (Accident)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]817 West Davis?[/TD]
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Well, not so fast... remember that NELSON was ordered to OAK CLIFF with Tippit... Except at a crucial time when he may have been able to help TIPPIT, he's inexplicably at Elm/Houston...

With 4340 W Davis being a 7 mile trip whereas there were still patrolmen, at the very least #91 who is already out on W Davis, who can go...

I realize not much as been researched but what about NELSON, MENTZEL and COURSON???

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[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]I'm in my car here at Elm and Houston. Do you want me over there?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87, report to 4340 West Davis at the service station for information regarding suspect on this Signal 19 of the President.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]4340[/TD]
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