The Tippit Case in the New Millenium

[David Josephs]

It's easy to confirm that much is missing from CE 1974 (the FBI transcript) --

If one looks at the transcript carefully, and compares it to the actual recorded radio transmissions, the accuracy and completeness of the FBI's July 1964 transcript comes into serious question.

Of the last 144 actual transmissions on belt 4, only 28 (19%) were transcribed by the FBI. The final transcribed transmission on belt 4 occurred between 11:50 and 11:51, and the first transmission transcribed from belt 5 does not actually occur until 12:06 almost 180 transmissions later. It is therefore impossible to accurately establish whether belt 4 ended at 11:50 or 12:06, with the result that the discrepancy between the FBI and the HSCA start/end times cannot be resolved. To further emphasise the inadequacy of the FBI transcript, analysis of the number of actual transmissions and the number of transcribed entries reveals that only 15% of the transmissions on belt 5 (approximately 100 out of 600 transmissions) were transcribed.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/scally.htm

No way to proceed with this line of inquiry without audio files, still looking without success despite the proliferation of copies described in the article.

What can be determined is that four DPD officers were already there or soon to arrive when Tippit & Nelson were ordered to "move into Central Oak Cliff area" at 12:45.

1. William Mentzel (out to lunch)
   
2. Harry Olsen (on leave)
   
3. W. P. Parker ("East Jefferson" 12:41)
   
4. J.M. Lewis ("105 Corinth" 12:47)
   

See Duke Lane's comment at the Ed forum for more on this:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/...ent=169183

Does an hour earlier really tell us much about 12:30 thru 1:30 ??

The FACT that there was a 2nd police car in the driveway EXACTLY at the spot where Tippit stops and the murder occurs, when as we have shown and show below, Oak Cliff was emptied out of DPD personnel and after the Top Ten record call Tippit travels directly to that spot.... one of the problems with CROY's evidence is that HOLAN tells us the 2nd car drove away with both men... CROY claims to have had his own car.... but then again CROY is so full of it it's hard to tell what's right....

Did Westbrook/Croy take the assassin with them to 10th & Patton?
Is VAGANOV worth serious consideration?
What was the extra police shirt doing in the back of Tippit's car?

What can be determined is that four DPD officers were already there

By "THERE" I assume you mean Oak Cliff....

What was so special about Oak Cliff besides the existence and potential movement about of some of the key conspirators....
El CHICO, Harlendale, Back of 1026 Beckley, Neely, Elsbeth, Ruby, Vaganov, NAGY (lived at 600 Ft Worth)

1. William Mentzel (out to lunch)
   
2. Harry Olsen (on leave)
   
3. W. P. Parker ("East Jefferson" 12:41)
   
4. J.M. Lewis ("105 Corinth" 12:47)
   

1. out to lunch... yet still in car - alone as you said - answering to call sign #91. Nothing indicates he left Oak Cliff
   (See transmissions at bottom of post)
   
2. Olsen claims to have been working at "the Estate" which may have just been a large plot with a house on it...
   Do we think he is ;lying about this?
   
   Mr SPECTER. Where was that estate located?
   Mr OLSEN. On 8th Street in Dallas.
   Mr SPECTER. Do you recall the specific address or the cross street on which it was located?
   Mr OLSEN. It's in the Oak Cliff area, it's approximately two blocks off of Stemmons.
   Mr SPECTER. How did it happen that you were not on duty with the police department on the day President Kennedy was in town?
   Mr OLSEN. I had my leg in a cast and I was doing light duty, which was working in the office, patrol office, and I had asked them if they needed me to work that day and they said no.
   
   
   
3. Agreed
   
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   [TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:46[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)[/TD]
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   [TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]35 clear. 12:47. Your location.[/TD]
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   [TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]105 Corinth.[/TD]
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   [TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
   [TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Remain in service, 35.[/TD]
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What is LEWIS doing in Oak Cliff? when his patrol area is miles north? 105 Corinth is by E 8th St on the other side of Stemmons (this would be the area OLSEN's Estate would have been)



The Oak Cliff patrol districts are 91 thru 97 (97 is out by the 4340 W Davis call that Nelson #87 was sent on from Elm/Houston)

I have found no transmissions from Patrol area #92, #94 or #96

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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]93 (Ptm. H.M. Ashcraft)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]Report to the old School Book Depository around the Elm and Houston area.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]95 (Ptm. M.N. McDonald and T.R. Gregory)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]95[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]95 (Ptm. M.N. McDonald and Ptm. T.R. Gregory)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]What's going on?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 336, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.[/TD]
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Now this seems odd... Nelson (below) was ordered into Oak Cliff yet is at Elm/Houston when asked and then ordered 7 miles away to West Davis...

Meanwhile... The Tippit and Nelson patrol areas are left vacant and basically it is only Tippit, Mentzel, Parker and Lewis (who shouldn't be there at all) in Oak Cliff

except for the 2nd police car which Mrs. HOLAN saw from directly across the street....

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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]97 (unknown)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]97, signal 4 at Westmoreland and Fort Worth Avenue.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]Are you in service, 97?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]97 (unknown)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]10-4.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]I'm in my car here at Elm and Houston. Do you want me over there?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]Dispatcher[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 336, bgcolor: transparent"]87, report to 4340 West Davis at the service station for information regarding suspect on this Signal 19 of the President.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 189, bgcolor: transparent"]87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]12:30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 437, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]91 clear.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:04[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]91 clear.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]817 West Davis?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]7 on West Davis.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]Code 5.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:12[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]Did you receive 222 was en route to West Davis?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]222 en route?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]What's his location?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]10-4.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 437, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]10-4.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]91[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]10-4.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:23[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 437, bgcolor: #FFCC99"]What was his direction of travel on Jefferson?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:23[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]91[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 437, bgcolor: transparent"]What was the description besides the white jacket?[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 80, bgcolor: transparent"]1:53[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 317, bgcolor: transparent"]93 (Ptm. H.M. Ashcraft)[/TD]
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