09-05-2019, 02:06 AM
Judy Vary Baker belongs in the Nazi discussion because of Operation Paperclip, Clay Shaw and germ warfare.
I have been troubled by this question all day: if Wernher Von Braun were involved in the JFK Assassination, would he have been involved (1) due to his past Nazi ideology, (2) as a long-time German citizen and German chauvinist (3) as an ultra-rightist based on his father's high position in the (pre-Hitler) Weimar Republic, (4) as a mainstay of the US "military-industrial complex" or (5) as an ally and sympathizer of and with Senator James O Eastland, in essence as a "Goldwater Republican" as of 1963?
In the world of JFK research, to me (right now) this would be one of the biggest unanswered questions, especially after the publication of the Skorzeny Papers. As many have observed, author Ralph Ganis (to an amazing extent) pins the JFK assassination primarily on ex-Nazi and Hitler loyalist Skorzeny in his fabulous book. But Ganis fails to present a plausible motive for the actions of Skorzeny in the JFK murder case. Would it be enough to state that Skorzeny did it because of his Nazi experience? If that sufficient in itself? Would that satisfy the above bloggers?
The answer to the above general question would take us well beyond the JFK assassination as a topic.
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was a former SS Officer. Was he doing what he was doing in founding the Bilderberg Society and was he acting (1) because of his Nazi indoctrination and world-view? Or was he (2) acting as the Prince of the Netherlands? Or was it (3) because he was involved with globalists? Or (4) was he a "Pan-European"?
The EEU was conceived at the infamous Strassbourg Meeting in August, 1944 in France. At the meeting, Nazi bigwigs met with German Industrialists from I G Farben, Deutsche-bank, Siemens, Krupp and others. That meeting was apparently overseen by the Nazis (who controlled Strassbourg at the time). But to what extent does that make the EEU a Nazi concept or a Nazi creation? A "yes" or "no" won't really answer that question IMO.
If Skorzeny were, as Ganis contends, the perpetrator of the JFK assassination, does that make it, (1) necessarily, a Nazi crime? Or (2) was Skorzeny, as of 1963, more of a Franco Falangist? Or (3) merely a run-of-the-mill mercenary?
Dag Hammarskjold became U N Secretary-General. During World War II, he had worked face to face with the Hitler government on the German national finances. As Secretary-General, was his role as top leader of the United Nations War Crimes Commission influenced by his close working relations with Nazis (in his past)? Did he have a conflict of interest?
Pope Benedict had been a member of the Hitler Youth. Was his job performance as Pope influenced by this fact and this history? Even a little bit? But how much? By contrast, Pope John XXIII made his reputation by saving Jews from the Nazis. Were those two Popes different in their job performance? If so, how much was influenced by the WWII experience?
If former Nazis were to any extent in control of the West German Government in 1963, then would their actions be called "Nazi actions" or would it merely be "actions of West Germans"?
Despite my extensive research into this problem, I don't think I can "shoot from the hip" and rattle off a glib answer to that. Virtually everyone to whom I explain my belief that Nazis killed JFK comes back to me with their own opinion as to the credibility of that theory. But how can they give a simple, off-the-cuff "yes" or "no" answer to that puzzling question? In fact, almost nobody really is qualified to give that an answer. But everyone thinks that they are!!!! I don't really get it.
If numerous former Nazis were involved in the murder of JFK, does that make it a Nazi crime?
My own opinion is that:
1. The worldwide Nazis had a ready-made network.
2. They had endless blood on their hands, more than any group in history, by far.
3. They were, by definition, capable of any crime, no matter how heinous, risky and outrageous.
4. Many of them (maybe most) lived outside the US and were beyond the reach of US law enforcement, outslde the grasp of Jim Garrison, the FBI, etc. etc. etc.
5. If ex-Nazis murdered JFK, that would automatically require a 56 year cover-up (and counting) due to their continuing connection to our ally West Germany and Adenauer.
6. Hitler, to this day, is officially the most reviled person in World History, at least in America. By assocation, that makes ex-Nazis hot potatoes, unlike (say) J Edgar Hoover or James O Eastland.
7 The war (and pre-War) experience of the top ex-Nazis like von Braun, Gehlen, Dornberger and others was WAY BEYOND anything experienced by Americans, even by Ike. Think in terms of Operation Valkyrie, the Russian front, the Holocaust, etc. We're talking about living under the pressure of instant death at the hands of an insane, maniac absolute dictator. Maybe Stalin's friends were comparable, but not LBJ, J E Hoover, George H W Bush etc etc. etc. We're talking about people who were plotting every day just to keep alive, for years and years and years.
8. They had their own "dark" funding apparatus.
9. They were the proverbial "cornered animals" and doubly dangerous compared to Hoover, LBJ, Nixon, GHW Bush, etc.
In fact, if either myself or Skorzeny author Ralph Ganis are correct in our assignment of the blame for the JFK murder to ex-Nazis, then it's almost ridiculous IMO to compare, say, an escaped and exiled Hitler, or even Bormann, Skorzeny, Gestapo Muller and their friends to Americans like J Edgar Hoover, James O Eastland, Allen Dulles, etc.
On my JFK organizational chart, I have 70 persons (including small entities and committees). Of those, 19 were either former-Nazis or people who had worked side by side with ex-Nazis over an extended and face-to-face basis (such as Adenauer).
And yes, I will count Allen Dulles, General Lemnitzer, General Edwin Walker and Senator Thomas J. Dodd in the latter category.
So IMHO, the web of Nazis was the backbone of the JFK plot, pure and simple.
And Judyth Vary Baker fits into this topic completely. That's because she was the bearer of the news about the weaponized-cancer project. And that project was apparently the partial brain-child of Operation Paperclip German scientists and probably German and American "industrialists" such as I G Farben scientists and, of course, Dr. Alton Ochsner of NOLA. Clay Shaw was allegedly the paymaster of the cancer project and he was also involved with I G Farben AND IN OPERATION PAPERCLIP. HE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN OPERATION PAPERCLIP PERSONIFIED.
I think Americans should wake up to the above--at least that should be required of American historians. Maybe someday that will happen.
James Lateer
I have been troubled by this question all day: if Wernher Von Braun were involved in the JFK Assassination, would he have been involved (1) due to his past Nazi ideology, (2) as a long-time German citizen and German chauvinist (3) as an ultra-rightist based on his father's high position in the (pre-Hitler) Weimar Republic, (4) as a mainstay of the US "military-industrial complex" or (5) as an ally and sympathizer of and with Senator James O Eastland, in essence as a "Goldwater Republican" as of 1963?
In the world of JFK research, to me (right now) this would be one of the biggest unanswered questions, especially after the publication of the Skorzeny Papers. As many have observed, author Ralph Ganis (to an amazing extent) pins the JFK assassination primarily on ex-Nazi and Hitler loyalist Skorzeny in his fabulous book. But Ganis fails to present a plausible motive for the actions of Skorzeny in the JFK murder case. Would it be enough to state that Skorzeny did it because of his Nazi experience? If that sufficient in itself? Would that satisfy the above bloggers?
The answer to the above general question would take us well beyond the JFK assassination as a topic.
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was a former SS Officer. Was he doing what he was doing in founding the Bilderberg Society and was he acting (1) because of his Nazi indoctrination and world-view? Or was he (2) acting as the Prince of the Netherlands? Or was it (3) because he was involved with globalists? Or (4) was he a "Pan-European"?
The EEU was conceived at the infamous Strassbourg Meeting in August, 1944 in France. At the meeting, Nazi bigwigs met with German Industrialists from I G Farben, Deutsche-bank, Siemens, Krupp and others. That meeting was apparently overseen by the Nazis (who controlled Strassbourg at the time). But to what extent does that make the EEU a Nazi concept or a Nazi creation? A "yes" or "no" won't really answer that question IMO.
If Skorzeny were, as Ganis contends, the perpetrator of the JFK assassination, does that make it, (1) necessarily, a Nazi crime? Or (2) was Skorzeny, as of 1963, more of a Franco Falangist? Or (3) merely a run-of-the-mill mercenary?
Dag Hammarskjold became U N Secretary-General. During World War II, he had worked face to face with the Hitler government on the German national finances. As Secretary-General, was his role as top leader of the United Nations War Crimes Commission influenced by his close working relations with Nazis (in his past)? Did he have a conflict of interest?
Pope Benedict had been a member of the Hitler Youth. Was his job performance as Pope influenced by this fact and this history? Even a little bit? But how much? By contrast, Pope John XXIII made his reputation by saving Jews from the Nazis. Were those two Popes different in their job performance? If so, how much was influenced by the WWII experience?
If former Nazis were to any extent in control of the West German Government in 1963, then would their actions be called "Nazi actions" or would it merely be "actions of West Germans"?
Despite my extensive research into this problem, I don't think I can "shoot from the hip" and rattle off a glib answer to that. Virtually everyone to whom I explain my belief that Nazis killed JFK comes back to me with their own opinion as to the credibility of that theory. But how can they give a simple, off-the-cuff "yes" or "no" answer to that puzzling question? In fact, almost nobody really is qualified to give that an answer. But everyone thinks that they are!!!! I don't really get it.
If numerous former Nazis were involved in the murder of JFK, does that make it a Nazi crime?
My own opinion is that:
1. The worldwide Nazis had a ready-made network.
2. They had endless blood on their hands, more than any group in history, by far.
3. They were, by definition, capable of any crime, no matter how heinous, risky and outrageous.
4. Many of them (maybe most) lived outside the US and were beyond the reach of US law enforcement, outslde the grasp of Jim Garrison, the FBI, etc. etc. etc.
5. If ex-Nazis murdered JFK, that would automatically require a 56 year cover-up (and counting) due to their continuing connection to our ally West Germany and Adenauer.
6. Hitler, to this day, is officially the most reviled person in World History, at least in America. By assocation, that makes ex-Nazis hot potatoes, unlike (say) J Edgar Hoover or James O Eastland.
7 The war (and pre-War) experience of the top ex-Nazis like von Braun, Gehlen, Dornberger and others was WAY BEYOND anything experienced by Americans, even by Ike. Think in terms of Operation Valkyrie, the Russian front, the Holocaust, etc. We're talking about living under the pressure of instant death at the hands of an insane, maniac absolute dictator. Maybe Stalin's friends were comparable, but not LBJ, J E Hoover, George H W Bush etc etc. etc. We're talking about people who were plotting every day just to keep alive, for years and years and years.
8. They had their own "dark" funding apparatus.
9. They were the proverbial "cornered animals" and doubly dangerous compared to Hoover, LBJ, Nixon, GHW Bush, etc.
In fact, if either myself or Skorzeny author Ralph Ganis are correct in our assignment of the blame for the JFK murder to ex-Nazis, then it's almost ridiculous IMO to compare, say, an escaped and exiled Hitler, or even Bormann, Skorzeny, Gestapo Muller and their friends to Americans like J Edgar Hoover, James O Eastland, Allen Dulles, etc.
On my JFK organizational chart, I have 70 persons (including small entities and committees). Of those, 19 were either former-Nazis or people who had worked side by side with ex-Nazis over an extended and face-to-face basis (such as Adenauer).
And yes, I will count Allen Dulles, General Lemnitzer, General Edwin Walker and Senator Thomas J. Dodd in the latter category.
So IMHO, the web of Nazis was the backbone of the JFK plot, pure and simple.
And Judyth Vary Baker fits into this topic completely. That's because she was the bearer of the news about the weaponized-cancer project. And that project was apparently the partial brain-child of Operation Paperclip German scientists and probably German and American "industrialists" such as I G Farben scientists and, of course, Dr. Alton Ochsner of NOLA. Clay Shaw was allegedly the paymaster of the cancer project and he was also involved with I G Farben AND IN OPERATION PAPERCLIP. HE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN OPERATION PAPERCLIP PERSONIFIED.
I think Americans should wake up to the above--at least that should be required of American historians. Maybe someday that will happen.
James Lateer