13-05-2023, 05:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 13-05-2023, 05:29 PM by Brian Doyle.)
Stancak responded on his blog:
Brian: please read my article again. The main message of my blog post was that there was no single Wiegman film frame that would match the doorway scene seen in Altgens6. The most obvious piece of evidence is the body orientation and the gaze direction of Carl Jones, the man standing on one of the lower steps at the western wall of the doorway. There is nothing such as “Wiegman Z256″ you mentioned, it is a nonsense invented by you. Theoretically, Wiegman frame 13 would be the frame to match Z255, but this is obviously not the case – and this is the point of my article. The partial face, the light oval shape seen between Lovelady and Shelley in Altgens6, can only belong to someone standing on the top landing. I considered in my 2019 Youtube video as possible candidates two so far unaccounted women who according to all witness testimonies stood on the top landing: Sarah Stanton and Pauline Sanders. From these two women, Sarah Stanton was found to be the better candidate because Pauline Sanders was too short; she only measured 4’11” or 5′ and her face including forehead would not reach the height of the light coloured oval shape which was most likely a partial face. Only Sarah Stanton was tall enough to fit that shape with her face. Besides, Pauline Sanders stood, according to her own account and according to her figure seen in Darnell film, at the back of the doorway, in the east part of it, and just in front of the glass window. Therefore, she could not have her face illuminated by sunlight – that part of the doorway was in shadow. Her figure was completely covered by Bill Shelley’s figure in Altgens6 and this is the reason for not seeing any trace of her body in that photograph. This has been demonstrated in my Youtube video linked in my article. I have nothing else to write to you. I hope my reply helps.
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Brian: please read my article again. The main message of my blog post was that there was no single Wiegman film frame that would match the doorway scene seen in Altgens6. The most obvious piece of evidence is the body orientation and the gaze direction of Carl Jones, the man standing on one of the lower steps at the western wall of the doorway. There is nothing such as “Wiegman Z256″ you mentioned, it is a nonsense invented by you. Theoretically, Wiegman frame 13 would be the frame to match Z255, but this is obviously not the case – and this is the point of my article. The partial face, the light oval shape seen between Lovelady and Shelley in Altgens6, can only belong to someone standing on the top landing. I considered in my 2019 Youtube video as possible candidates two so far unaccounted women who according to all witness testimonies stood on the top landing: Sarah Stanton and Pauline Sanders. From these two women, Sarah Stanton was found to be the better candidate because Pauline Sanders was too short; she only measured 4’11” or 5′ and her face including forehead would not reach the height of the light coloured oval shape which was most likely a partial face. Only Sarah Stanton was tall enough to fit that shape with her face. Besides, Pauline Sanders stood, according to her own account and according to her figure seen in Darnell film, at the back of the doorway, in the east part of it, and just in front of the glass window. Therefore, she could not have her face illuminated by sunlight – that part of the doorway was in shadow. Her figure was completely covered by Bill Shelley’s figure in Altgens6 and this is the reason for not seeing any trace of her body in that photograph. This has been demonstrated in my Youtube video linked in my article. I have nothing else to write to you. I hope my reply helps.
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Brian Doylesaid:
[size=12]May 13, 2023 at 16:11
Andrej – Since the Altgens 6 photo was taken at a time when the Wiegman Film was recording that means that some frame in Wiegman has to correspond to Altgens 6…What you show as “Wiegman 12” seems to be close enough so I don’t see why you reject my valid claim that Wiegman Z256 is close enough to the exact same scene seen in Altgens 6 that we can use it for comparison…Your criticism here is erroneous because one of those Wiegman frames, whether it be Z255 or other, does correspond to Altgens 6…The subjects were not moving fast enough to invalidate my reasoning that Tiny Face’s face would be lit by sun in both images since they were taken fractions of a second apart or even exactly at the same time…This argument still holds true and requires a credible answer…It is clear from your claim that Tiny Face, whom you call Sarah Stanton, had her sunlit face hidden behind Shelley with only her hair rising above…However you have failed to answer how the rest of Shelley’s head, that continues above the shadow line on his face, would block what you are saying is Stanton’s hair…If you properly drew Shelley’s entire head, as it would appear in that shadow, it would eclipse what you are saying is Stanton’s hair because Shelley was 5 foot 8 and Stanton was 5 foot 4…You are forgetting that we already know Stanton is 5 foot 4 thanks to Morissette’s discovery of Stanton in the Owens Film…A 5 foot 4 person’s hair cannot rise above a 5 foot 8 person’s head…
You have also failed to make the basic calculation that Tiny Face’s height can be roughly determined by looking at Altgens 6…Tiny Face is about 4 inches shorter than Shelley who is right in front of her…That would make Tiny Face 5 foot 4…You are saying Pauline Sanders was 5 foot tall however you are forgetting that Kamp/Zambanini found a group photo containing Sanders and she was about as tall as the other women…Andrej – there is a basic thing that never gets rightfully expressed concerning the Prayer Man subject…Since we know Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders therefore her height is what we see in Altgens…And since Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton, her height is what we see on Prayer Man…Tiny Face is behind Molina in Wiegman 12 not Shelley…You are misjudging the compression distortion from Altgens’ telephoto lens and Tiny Face is further back than you think…
You have failed to mention that Wiegman is the same film from which Chris Davidson enhanced Sarah Stanton’s face on Prayer Man…If you look at Morissette’s second screen shot of Owens you can just make out an elbow-length sleeve on Sarah Stanton…If we then go to Prayer Man in Darnell we see that exact same elbow-length sleeve…That’s a dead match and it proves that Prayer Man is Stanton…The reason Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders is because Tiny Face is standing exactly where Sanders told the Commission she was…Sanders retreated back to the glass and shadow in Darnell 40 seconds later…But she was lit by sun in Altgens 6…Both Lovelady and Frazier place Stanton in the Prayer Man spot in their statements…Lovelady did so 9 seconds before Wiegman in Hughes…Frazier, 45 seconds later in Darnell…
This conversation needs to be had on the Education Forum however the moderator there, James Gordon, has determined my correct evidence deserves a life banning and removal from the community…
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