19-07-2023, 11:27 PM
Okay. So I've listened to three shows of these guys now, I've read the thread through several times, and Lauren thank you for the brief synopsis .
While I'm open to explore another version of events here, and have been now, I'm not seeing a whole lot of what they're going on and on about on the ground. I'm seeing nothing of the US desperately clinging to unipolarity that's already gone, nothing about NATO's expansion Eastward, the warnings from Russia about Ukraine being NATO, the 8 years of Ukraine shelling the Donbass, the 2014 Maidan Coup, years on end of "Russiagate" priming Americans to keep hating Putin and the evil empire, the blowing up of Nord Stream to keep the Germans in line, etc....
What I'm supposed to believe here is that the entire non Western world is being fooled as well, that the US/Ukraine/Russia/China/etc are in on this massive 5D chess move that only these guys can see.
I'm also supposed to kick to the curb anyone who disagree with these guys, they're all either also in on the big 5D sting, or they're just stupid. The likes of
The Grayzone
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs
Col. Douglas McGregor
Scott Ritter
The Duran
Brian Berletic
Ray McGovern
And the list of notables goes on. Not that they're to be followed blindly just because they are alternative to this utterly ridiculous North Korea level of state propaganda here in the West, but because they make sense.
What's so compelling about this narrative that you find so compelling? The early on peace deal that got scrubbed by the West (of course) hardly seems worth the attention that they are giving it, IMO. Unless, again, I'm missing the boat somewhere along the line.
It should be noted that I'm by no means a Jackson Hinkle type of Putin sycophant, I just happen to think he's on the right side of history here.
While I'm open to explore another version of events here, and have been now, I'm not seeing a whole lot of what they're going on and on about on the ground. I'm seeing nothing of the US desperately clinging to unipolarity that's already gone, nothing about NATO's expansion Eastward, the warnings from Russia about Ukraine being NATO, the 8 years of Ukraine shelling the Donbass, the 2014 Maidan Coup, years on end of "Russiagate" priming Americans to keep hating Putin and the evil empire, the blowing up of Nord Stream to keep the Germans in line, etc....
What I'm supposed to believe here is that the entire non Western world is being fooled as well, that the US/Ukraine/Russia/China/etc are in on this massive 5D chess move that only these guys can see.
I'm also supposed to kick to the curb anyone who disagree with these guys, they're all either also in on the big 5D sting, or they're just stupid. The likes of
The Grayzone
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs
Col. Douglas McGregor
Scott Ritter
The Duran
Brian Berletic
Ray McGovern
And the list of notables goes on. Not that they're to be followed blindly just because they are alternative to this utterly ridiculous North Korea level of state propaganda here in the West, but because they make sense.
What's so compelling about this narrative that you find so compelling? The early on peace deal that got scrubbed by the West (of course) hardly seems worth the attention that they are giving it, IMO. Unless, again, I'm missing the boat somewhere along the line.
It should be noted that I'm by no means a Jackson Hinkle type of Putin sycophant, I just happen to think he's on the right side of history here.
"FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE, WHEREVER IT LEADS" SOCRATES