26-01-2025, 07:51 PM
(23-01-2025, 03:56 AM)Fred Steeves Wrote: A sticking point with me Peter is that just as it's never brought up to examine why immigrants are so compelled to leave their homelands in the first place, so it is never brought up what compelled Americans to not only once, but now twice, vote for this guy. And nobody even try and tell me it's all because they're racists, and on and on.
I am by no means an Orange Jesus supporter.
I'm not sure I get your point. Immigrants from different countries have various reasons - all well known - no mystery to me. Surely the low-information/poorly-educated Trump voters don't know, as they 1] don't know history 2] don't follow current affairs outside of their state, usually 3] are drinking the propaganda kool-aid of the Right-Wing Propaganda machine.
It is not good to generalize, but generally most followers of MAGA movement are, yes, racist and most, not all, immigrants are not white. But this nation was formed out of immigrants - and bad ones at that - who proceeded to commit a longterm genocide on the Native Americans. Later they brought in African slaves as free labor and even fought a War to retain that system - which only BEGAN to give way in the 1960s through 1990s. Now Trump (who's grandfather was an out and out Nazi and who's father went to KKK meetings) - and who himself is obviously a racist, misogynist, anti-science idiot, con-man, and criminal psychopath with narcissistic personality disorder claims falsely that most immigrants are criminals [false] and taking away jobs of MAGA lower class [false] should be removed en masse. He even suggests those born here who are not white could also be deported.
Most who come here, come from totally dysfunctional dictatorships that are dangerous to life of the ordinary citizen. Sadly, most of those countries would not be in such bad shape had the USA and UK, and further back other European colonial powers not f***ked them over with CIA led coups and raped them financially for the benefit of the large corporations. Now, I see Trump as wanting to do the same to those inside the country as has historically been done outside using CIA, Military, etc.
I have a bumper sticker that says "If you're not a Native American, you're an Illegal Alien". I find it true!, and it is the bumper sticker that angers people on the Right the most, because they know it is a truth they don't want to face. We killed several hundred million Native Americans in North, Central and South America! Then we killed tens of millions of Africans, and enslaved other tens of millions of them, then kept them as 2-class citizens through today. We spent hundred of years taking over and destroying other countries, and illegal immigration is one of the results of that. Do I think we should control the borders? Yes, but humanely, understanding that we [and a few other countries secondarily] are the primary CAUSE of their needing to flee their countries. America even turned away some ships of Jews who died in the Holocaust when they were refused landing rights after fleeing Nazi Germany! We have a horrible hidden history one needs to know to evaluate such things fairly. An idiot like Trumpf doesn't know history and distorts what little he does know. This website is full of this hidden history and I'd be glad to point out any specific area you are interested in. May I suggest for starters the book 'A People's History of the United States'. Not what they taught you in school - but more truthful than what they taught [and didn't mention]. Name a country and I'll tell you how the USA fucked it up, so that it now is desperately poor and has a dictatorship [which we often installed and/or backed], and why they now seek to get to where they think is a safe haven. Now, the USA is not a safe haven and they should for their own good stop coming - but those who are here are working at jobs no one else wants; and they pay taxes but can not collect social security etc. Personally, I'd only be in favor of deporting the FEW who are violent and committed crimes [about 0.5%] - not the others. They are not taking anyone's jobs. The rich took the jobs away from the MAGA dumbillies - and are still doing it in plain sight! The 'TechBros' and others.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass

