Interview with Peter Levenda October 9, 2009 Sinister Forces

[Jan Klimkowski]

A related document, presumably from the same source, regarding self-proclaimed remote viewer, and limited hangout asset, Major Ed Dames.

CIA-Scientology Conspiracy:Remote Viewing Ed Dames
by http://WWW.SC-I-R-S-OLOGY.PAIR.COM

It was a balmy August/September-cusp night, and the Art Bell

Coast-to-Coast show--the Number One overnight talk show in major markets across the nation, including New York and Los Angeles--was, as usual, holding its listeners enthralled.



From long-haul truckers to long-hair intellectuals, the millions who make up Art's eclectic collection of devoted, insomniac fans were welded to their radios as Art interviewed a guest who seems to be a favorite with the wide-spectrum audience.

But on this particular night, something odd happened. Of course, saying "something odd" happened on the Art Bell show is like saying something edible was found in a supermarket. But even for Art's show, this was something that-- Well, read on.

The guest was "remote viewer" and former(?) CIA officer Major Ed Dames, founder of PSI Tech--a for-profit company specializing in "remote viewing."

[Editor's note: We put that (?) in there because, as one wag once put it, "the only 'former' spook is a dead spook.



" Being neither former spooks nor dead, we wouldn't know.]

Dames claims that by using the "remote viewing" technology he exported with him from CIA, he is able to perform super-human feats of perception, both in space and in time, and can teach others to do the same--for a price.

One basis for his popularity is the uncanny accuracy of some of his remote-viewed predictions about world events. And what, you might ask, does all this have to do with Scientology's Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) - the powerful corporation that controls all of Scientology, and which is embroiled in the $190-million libel suit Veritas is covering? Well, you'll have to get there by the same route we did. If you're rash and reckless enough to follow along...

On the night in question, things didn't go quite as they usually do with Major Ed Dames. There was a wrinkle in the fabric of space and time, a wrinkle that, apparently, he hadn't "remote viewed" as looming in his own future.

Oh, there were the usual questions by fax and phone from listeners who wanted to know more about remote viewing, and discussions about cataclysms and catastrophes that Dames sees lurking in the future for us mortals here on earth. And Major Ed handled them with his usual glib aplomb. Art was conducting a friendly, interested interview, and Major Ed had lots of intriguing tidbits to share.

But then, a seemingly incongruous question from Art: "You never did anything on L. Ron Hubbard, did you?"

A heartbeat. Major Ed, flatly: "No."

Why Art asked the question at all, we don't know. But it didn't seem to go over very well with the Major; there was an edge. Art accepted the answer at face value, and that would have been that. Would have been--except for a pesky fold-back on that bothersome wrinkle in space-time...

L. RON HUBBARD, ANCHOR POINTS, AND THE MILITARY
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY

As the next break neared, Major Ed confided to Art something about personal "anchor points" that he, Dames, uses in his remote viewing, and the beginnings of a warp seemed to materialize, just for a moment. But it was only after the news break, after the usual spate of survivalist-gear and natural-remedy ads, that the weird warp appeared, wavered, flickered, and then formed fully in the late-night radio waves:


ART BELL: Ed, are you there?

ED DAMES: I'm here.

ART BELL: All right, here's a pretty rough fax, and let's
see how you handle it, all right?

ED DAMES: Okay.

ART BELL: (reading): "Art, Ed Dames knows damn well that
Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann and Pat Price--all key players in the
remote viewing program--were Scientologists, and that the
military intelligence community were dogging L. Ron Hubbard
for decades. Remote viewing came from Hubbard's discoveries
and Dames KNOWS IT"--underlined. "Why did he lie or
'play dumb' when you mentioned Hubbard? For instance, the
term 'anchor points' is ONLY a Hubbard discovery"--"only"
underlined. Any comment?

ED DAMES: Bunk. All bunk.

ART BELL: All bunk?

ED DAMES: Yep. Every single bit of that is bunk.

ART BELL: Okay--

ED DAMES: And, by the way, if there's anybody out there with
a voice stress analyzer or any other type of lie machine (sic), put
it on! And I'll say it again: it's bunk! Total bunk.

My, my, but the smooth and suave Major Ed suddenly sounded downright testy! We thought that perhaps the Major didth protesteth too much. He almost sounded like Clinton denying having sexual relations with Monica. And so we decided to step through that odd, warped little wrinkle that had appeared in space-time. And what did we find? Well, as Art Bell might say: "Oh-h-h-h, my!"

HELLO, CIA. WELCOME TO PLANET VERITAS.

Whatta' warp! Welcome to what Canadian writer Kady O'Malley has dubbed "Planet Veritas," where the strangest things find a way of coming together, like some alien, sci-fi Wonderland.

We started out innocently following a white-rabbit story about a $190-million libel suit involving Scientology's secretive--but most powerful--corporation, the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST).

So far, our wide-eyed wanderings through the endlessly-connecting corridors leading off from that lawsuit have taken us to places we never imagined. We found connecting crawlways to IRS. We found hidden passageways to Congressional Committees. We found buried treasure troves of hard evidence supporting Plaintiffs' allegations of fraud. We found a dumpy, hidden little P.O. box as the "primary business address" for the most powerful corporation in all of Scientologydom. We found an "L. Ron Hubbard Library" that exists only on paper. We found a Chart of Power that, for the first time, laid out exactly how CST secretly weilded power over all of Scientology. But no matter where we turned, all corridors led somehow, ultimately, back to CST. And then, in the unlikeliest place of all, on the Art Bell show, we found this little weird warp that said "Open Me," and there, lo-and-behold, was the CIA--linked up to a bevy of "former Scientologists" (anything like "former spooks"?), and to mental technologies that trace directly back to the copyrighted works of L. Ron Hubbard. And those works are now owned by--guess who.

If you said "CST," you just might want to apply for permanent citizenship on Planet Veritas.

"BUNK," MAJOR DAMES? DID YOU SAY, "BUNK?"

No, Major Ed, not bunk. Hal Puthoff was *INDEED* a key player in the CIA's Remote Viewing Program. In fact, Major (and Art--are *you* tuned in?), Hal Puthoff was the HEAD of that program--at Stanford Research Institute (SRI)--from 1972 to 1985. [Editor's note: 1972 is the year in which L. Ron Hubbard mysteriously disappeard for ten months, accompanied only by a former Green Beret and a male nurse--a developing story soon to appear here in the pages of Veritas.]

And, yes, Major Ed, Hal Puthoff was *INDEED* a Scientologist when he entered the CIA-spawned Remote-Viewing Program. In fact, Puthoff had only recently completed Scientology's super-secret "Operating Thetan, Level III" (OT III), placing him in the rarified inner circles of Scientology's "Advanced Technology" knowledge.

But there's more: prior to entering Scientology in the late '60's and working his way up through the ranks to access Scientology's secret levels, Puthoff had been with the National Security Administration (NSA). [Editor's note: Like Major Ed, it looks like we have another "former spook" here, but this one going almost directly from Scientology's secret levels straight into CIA's Remote Viewing Program--which bears an uncanny resemblance to parts of Scientology itself!]

We've also found and interviewed two people who were in Scientology in Los Angeles in the early '70's, and who personally knew Puthoff when he was there.

(For those wanting to know more about Puthoff and his connections, we suggest you start at http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/puthoff.html. That's a brief bio on Puthoff, with numerous links to other information on him, and on the Remote Viewing Program and its players.)

So, no, Major Ed: THAT part of the fax that Art Bell read certainly wasn't "bunk." And you said, "Every single bit of that is bunk." Oops. Well, then, how about the rest of it?

Let's take Ingo Swann.

Ingo Swann was a pioneer in the CIA's Remote Viewing Project WITH Hal Puthoff. In fact, they are the team who were in at its outset. And, surprise, surprise: Swann was a Scientology OT VII--which, at the time, was the highest secret level attainable in Scientology!

We even found and interviewed someone who had once helped set up Ingo Swann's art exhibits for him at Scientology's Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles, on West 8th Street.

But, Ed, here's what REALLY surprised us. Look what we found in YOUR OWN press release, entitled "Ed Dames Sets the Record Straight."

"Ingo Swann, under the direction of Dr. Harold Puthoff at SRI, realized a breakthrough, i.e., he developed an accurate model of how the collective unconscious communicates (target) information to conscious awareness. Swann believed that the ability to remote view, like language, is an innate faculty--a birthright--but must be learned to be effective. Swann's model provided a rigid set of instructions which theoretically allowed anyone to actually be trained to produce accurate, detailed target data. To test the model, the Army sent Major Dames and five others to Swann as a prototype trainee group.

"The results were more than anyone, even Swann, had anticipated. In six months, Major Dames' (sic) team members were producing psychically derived data with more consistency and accuracy than the most renown natural (untrained) psychics alive."

Are we supposed to believe, Major Ed, that you never knew anything about Ingo Swann's high-level involvement in Scientology? Or Hal Puthoff's? [Editor's note: Well, even Monica Lewinsky was able to get a top-secret clearance. Guess things are pretty sloppy with those "intelligence" boys these days. Budget cut-backs?]

Or were you, Major Ed, just cut out of the "need to know" loop regarding Swann's "OT VII" rating? Could be. If that's the case, maybe we here at Veritas ought to let you in on something else about Swann: his OWN intelligence background, his own TOP SECRET clearance with the military PRIOR to getting access to Scientology's secret upper levels.

That's right, Major Ed: there's yet another "former spook" in the woodpile.

(For those wanting to know learn more about Ingo Swann and his connections, we suggest you start at http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/swann.html.)

Two strikes, Major Ed. So what about Pat Price?

It's quite curious that Pat Price, who has been described as being "widely considered to be the best of the remote viewers," was a Scientology OT IV, and was very instrumental in the early success of the CIA's Remote Viewing Project. An unconfirmed report says that Price went on from there to work directly for the CIA, with one Ken Kress as his handler. Then when Price decided to return to SRI, he stopped over in Las Vegas, and died of a purported heart attack in his hotel room. There was no autopsy peformed, allegedly due to the persuasion of an unknown individual with a briefcase full of Price's medical records.

(For those wanting to know learn more about Pat Price and his connections, we suggest you start at http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/price.html.)

But you don't know anything about any of this, do you, Major Ed? No, you said-- Let's see, what were your words? Oh, yes--"bunk," you called it. Is that correct? Yes, that's what you said: "Bunk."

The only slight problem is that Veritas has inarguably, uncontestably, and verifiably confirmed that Puthoff, Swann, and Price all WERE key players in the CIA's Remote Viewing Program, and that they all WERE high-level Scientologists when they entered that program at its inception.

Two of those Scientologists--Puthoff and Swann--had intelligence backgrounds BEFORE they penetrated Scientology's super-secret "OT Levels," then turned right around and set up the Remote Viewing Program for CIA. Probably just coincidence, right Major Ed?

Just to tie the bundle up with a neat ribbon (and 14 Scientology "Clears"), here's a quote from "The Constantine Report":

"Many of the SRI [Stanford Research Institute--where the early remote viewing program was originally set up] 'empaths' were mustered from L. Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology. Harold Puthoff, the Institute's senior researcher, is a leading Scientologist. Two 'remote viewers' from SRI have also held rank in the Church: Ingo Swann, a Class VII Operating Thetan, a founder of the Scientology [Celebrity] Center in Los Angeles, and the late Pat Price. Puthoff['s]...lab assistant was a Scientologist married to a minister of the church. When Swann joined SRI, he stated openly that fourteen 'Clears' participated in the experiments."

Unfortunately, Major Ed, that's strike three. You ought to be outta here. But we haven't even GOTTEN to the "anchor points" part yet!

IS MAJOR ED DAMES A CLOSET SCIENTOLOGIST?

Where else would Ed Dames have learned about "anchor points?" Of course, Major Ed swore on national radio that the claim about "anchor points" being an L. Ron Hubbard discovery was-- Let's see, what were his words? Oh, yes. He called it "bunk." In fact, Major Ed said, "Every single bit of that is bunk."

So we, being frustratingly from Planet Veritas, of course had to check it out--thoroughly. And here is what we found.

First, we learned that there are at least 706 references to the term "anchor points" in the body of L. Ron Hubbard's works. Second, we found that Hubbard's use of the term dates back at least as early as 4 December 1952--predating the CIA's Remote Viewing Program by 20 years--in a lecture where he defined the term:

"[A]n anchor point is that point which origin 'I' assigns so that he can have dimension and motion. ...[T]hese anchor points actually assign dimension or boundary to space. ...Whenever there is motion, one holds the anchor point and perceives the motion. It's very simple. He also perceives the anchor point, holds and perceives the anchor point and then sees something changing without those anchor points moving."
L. Ron Hubbard
Taped lecture, "Spacation: Anchor Points, Origin"
Philadelphia Doctorate Course
4 December 1952

We then searched in vain for any earlier mention of "anchor points," anywhere at all, in any literature having anything whatsoever to do with the mind or things spiritual. Zero. Zip. Nada, Major Ed.

Other Hubbard references to "anchor points" go hand-in-hand with Ed Dames's "Technical Remote Viewing" technology, which includes locating and viewing objects and events that are distant from the viewer in space and time. For instance:

"Space is a viewpoint of dimension. The points which mark an area of space are called anchor points, and these, with the viewpoint, alone are responsible for space. ...The essential in any object is the space which it occupies. Thus, the ability to be an object first depends upon the ability to be the space which it occupies."
L. Ron Hubbard
The Journal of Scientology, Issue 14-G,
c. late April 1953

And how about the very concept of "remote"--as in distant from, or away from, one's physical location--and the concept of "anchor points":

"It is usually better to run things away from the body, as this has the effect of putting out anchor points. ...Thus these concepts should be run at a distance from the body."
L. Ron Hubbard
Professional Auditor's Bulletin No. 2
c. end May 1953

Bunk, huh, Major Ed? Hmmm.

EVEN MORE SCIENTOLOGY IN CIA/DAMES "REMOTE VIEWING"?

Major Ed Dames sells CIA-developed "Technical Remote Viewing" through his company, PSI Tech. His 9-day courses once sold for--as he put it--"Forty-five hundred dollars ($4,500.00) a pop." Estimated revenues from that mount into the millions. Now he hawks sets of videotapes, the full set selling for $299.90. Given Dames's own current estimate of 10,000 students, that alone rounds out to a cool $3-million.

Major Ed freely--if arrogantly--admits in one of his own video tapes that "tax dollars paid for the research."

We'll let others consider the ethics of personal fortunes being made off of CIA-funded programs by "former" intelligence officers. We wondered how much Scientology was contained in that multi-million-dollar enterprise. So we looked into it.

In addition to the incontrovertible "anchor points" technology, we found other interesting references in some of Ed Dames's video tapes.

In one "module" (as he markets them), Dames is overseeing a student's remote viewing "session." Dames instructs her to "Go through all those diminsion points."

"Dimension points?" Anything like "anchor points?"

Checking our sources, we learned that there were at least 110 references in L. Ron Hubbard's works to "dimension points," and that these "dimension points" are central to Scientology's concept of the universe--particularly (pun intended) as it relates to time. In fact, the term "dimension points" is one of the most important themes in L. Ron Hubbard's seminal work called "The Factors," which he signed: "Humbly tendered as a gift to Man by L.Ron Hubbard, April 23, 1953."

Dames's CIA-created version of remote viewing includes claims of being able to "remote view" people, objects, places and events in past, present, and future, and obviously includes "dimension points" in the process. So let's look at a few selections from "The Factors" in relationship to such forms, to viewing, and to time:

"[T]he many viewpoints, interacting, become dependent upon one another's forms and do not choose to distinguish completely the ownership of dimension points, and so comes about a dependency upon the dimension points and upon the other viewpoints. ...From this comes a consistency of viewpoint of the interaction of dimension points and this, regulated, is TIME."
L. Ron Hubbard
"The Factors"
23 April 1953

So important did Hubbard consider "dimension points" and "viewpoints' that he says:

"The resolution of any problem posed hereby is the establishment of viewpoints and dimension points, the betterment of condition and concourse amongst dimension points, and, thereby, viewpoints... ."
L. Ron Hubbard
"The Factors"
23 April 1953

But the Scientology connections don't stop there. In the same "module," when the student has made a comment about the remote viewing session being a little rough, Dames laughs and says, "Wait till I put you in the center of the sun."

Blink.

"WAIT TILL I PUT YOU IN THE CENTER OF THE SUN."

How many times have YOU heard someone say they would "put you in the center of the sun"? Not often, we'd guess. The only small problem we see with with CIA's Major Ed using this particular language is that it comes almost verbatim out of a famous Scientology "OT"-type process called "Grand Tour," which was developed and released by L. Ron Hubbard at least as early as 1954.

In a lecture given on 10 October 1954, entitled "Route 1, Step 9," L. Ron Hubbard is describing his "Grand Tour" process to Scientology students:

"So we say, 'Be near Earth. Be near the Moon. Be near the Sun. Be near Earth.' And we could keep on doing this, and would keep on doing this for some time. ...And you'll find out that he will start doing it much more rapidly than he was doing it before."

If that doesn't describe what the term "remote viewing" conjures up, we don't know what would. And though Hubbard starts his "Grand Tour" process putting people "near' these heavenly bodies, he soon, in the same lecture, graduates up to putting the subject IN them:

"So you want him to be 'Center of Earth. Outside Earth. Inside Earth. Outside Earth. Inside Earth. Outside Earth. Inside Earth. Outside Earth. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Inside the Moon. Outside the Moon. Inside the Moon. Outside the Moon. Inside the Moon. Outside of the Moon. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Inside the Sun. Outside the Sun. Inside the Sun. Outside the Sun.'"

Need we go on?

Oh, Major Ed--look! There are those pesky "anchor points" again.

"Bunk," huh? Right, Major Ed.

(Say, Art Bell--would this be worth an, "Oh-h-h-h, my"? We just love it when you do that.)

DO ED DAMES AND THE CIA HAVE A LICENSE FROM CST TO USE L. RON HUBBARD'S WORKS?

The Church of Spiritual Technology--doing business as the "L. Ron Hubbard Library," and currently the defendant in the $190-million libel suit that we set out several centuries ago (in Planet Veritas time) to cover--owns all the copyrights to all of L. Ron Hubbard's works. Anchor points. Dimension points. "The Grand Tour." The works.

That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has weird ties to IRS, leading to the tax-exempt status which helped get them ownership of those copyrights.

That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology that is defendant in a libel suit whose judge has ties to government intelligence-agency oversight commitees.

That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has spent, or allowed to be spent, countless millions of dollars tracking down and prosecuting--some would say "persecuting"--people that they scathingly describe as "copyright terrorists"--which means, as well as we can determine, people who use or distribute CST-owned copyrighted material improperly or without a license. Of course, CST--who, like the proverbial elephant with red-painted toenails hiding in a cherry tree, is always trying to remain invisible--hasn't been SEEN going after their nemesis "copyright terrorists." They use their yard-dog, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), to do the down-and-dirty courtroom ankle-gnawing. But RTC is just another licensee of the Church of Spiritual Technology, and so is merely fronting for the real copyright owners--CST.

So why is CIA's Major Ed Dames allowed to rake in millions using technology that demonstrably derives from these copyrighted materials, while CST sits by quietly?

Why did the CIA use Scientology OTs to create remote viewing?

How did "former" intelligence people like Puthoff and Swann get onto the Scientology OT Levels in the first place--since Hubbard had forbidden such people to be allowed on Scientology courses?

"BUNK," MAJOR ED? WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT "BUNK"

Major Ed Dames created his money-making venture using technology that HE claims was developed by the CIA in research (using millions of tax dollars), and in which he was the Training and Operations Officer for "a new psychic intelligence community."

Well, we think that's just ducky.

Yet he vigorously denies that Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price were Scientologists; he vigorously denies that they were key players in the development of "remote viewing;" and he vigorously denies that "anchor points" are a discovery of L. Ron Hubbard.

Well, we say, "bunk" to your denials, Major Ed.

We think you have a damn good reason for trying to downplay and hide the Scientology-CIA-remote-viewing connections.

We think there's a damn good reason why Puthoff and Swann had intelligence backgrounds before getting into Scientology.

We think there's a damn good reason why they had no sooner reached the secret upper levels of Scientology, than they were back under the wing of CIA developing remote viewing for the "new psychic intelligence community."

We think there's a damn good reason why psychiatrist Dr. Louis Jolyn "Jolly" West--a brainwashing specialist with CIA ties going back to the early '50's, when L. Ron Hubbard first exposed government brainwashing techniques and mind-control experiments--was also connected with the CIA's Remote Viewing Program.

We think there's a damn good reason why the judge in the instant case involving CST--Judge Frances Rothschild--has well-documented ties both to IRS/Treasury, and to Intelligence Oversight committees in the federal government, and why Rothschild got put onto the case through the expedient of the first judge recusing herself.

We think there's a damn good reason why CST was co-founded by a former Assistant to the Commissioner of IRS, who just happened to be there at IRS while an IRS employee was feeding government documents to senior Scientology officials--which ultimately got those officials jailed, and made it possible for CST to get possession of all the copyrights containing the technology that CIA appropriated for its own use.

And we think any effort to cover all this stinking rot up is BUNK, Major Ed. Or worse.

We think the evidence of connections between federal government agencies and CST is now overwhelming, Major Ed, and that only a real idiot could ignore it. We think that there's even a possibility that Dr. "Jolly" West helped mix Scientology technology with Jungian psychology so that it could be slickly packaged up and sold off as "remote viewing" to the gullible public--pretending that it's exactly what the government is using (yeah, right), while, in fact, CIA (and DIA, and NSA, and the alphabet soup group) keep the real stuff for themselves.

We also think that CST is packaging altered versions of the original Hubbard works, and selling those off disguised as the real thing, too.

But that's just what WE think, Major Ed. What do YOU think?

Oh, that's right. We remember now. You say it's all "bunk." And you wouldn't lie, would you Major Ed? Why, hell--you're a "former" United States intelligence officer.

Using the RealPlayer, you can hear the full Art Bell August 31/September 1 interview with Major Ed Dames at:

http://www.trv-psitech.com/media.htm

The full program is nearly five hours long. Here are some approximate time markers for relevant sections:

Art Bell asks about L. Ron Hubbard: 03:43:25
Dames mentions "anchor points": 03:50:09
Art Bell reads the fax to Ed Dames: 04:07:00


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