Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked

[Helen Reyes]

Thanks Peter. I guess I just tend to throw ideas of natural equilibria in with anthropomorphism, so it clusters with religion in the back of my mind. Anyway, I can respect your beliefs, and species extinction (due to habitat destruction by humans mainly) is atrocious and accelerating.

David: on where the data went (lost or deleted), there's an interesting blog at http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11630

Published by AJStrata at 5:53 pm under All General Discussions, CRU Climategate, Global Warming

One other aspect of the data I was analyzing in the long post below is the fact it uses a CRU generated comparison of a 2008 temp run (b) with a 2005 run – all captured in a pdf file made in July of this year. One has to wonder how CRU was able to do this data run when it supposedly lost the data many years ago? I guess Dr Jones can answer that for us all.

Updates below the fold


Final Update: (all following updates preceded this one) Good news from an interesting source. Charles Johnson notes the poor reporting misses a key statement from Jones

The research unit has deleted less than 5 percent of its original station data from its database because the stations had several discontinuities or were affected by urbanization trends, Jones said.

Johnson also confirms my speculation the data exists in the US;

Refuting CEI’s claims of data-destruction, Jones said, “We haven’t destroyed anything.The data is still there — you can still get these stations from the [NOAA] National Climatic Data Center.”

As I suspected and showed below, the raw data could not have been deleted. So now we have something to look forward to now that CRU as agreed on full disclosure. Those challenging CRU need to keep their feet on the ground and their wild rhetoric in check. - end update

Update: The latest claim CRU “dumped” their data cannot be true unless Jones and Co. did so very recently (maybe to make good on their threat to avoid FOI responses):

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

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The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

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Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue.

This is a complete crock. As I noted, there is a very important file call idl_cruts3_2005_vs_2008b.pdf in the data dump. The data graphed runs through 2008, while the file creation was in July 2009. ...

Also a correction: http://www.iceagenow.com doesn't link to the blogs on the code in the leak (at least not as far as I know), but here's a good example of what's going on:

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2...-code.html