14-12-2009, 06:59 PM
John Bevilaqua Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:John Bevilaqua Wrote:I think it is just idle dreamers and naive amateurs who still believe that there is something remaining, hiding in some deep hidden archive which will reveal the identities of the conspirators. Like some sort of "smoking document" or whatever. Dream on. The investigative methodologies employed by those like James Richards, Dick Russell, Mae Brussel and Bill Turner as well as myself seem to produce the most accurate results. You have to talk with real people, and take their evidence with a very jaundiced eye and then put it together with others who can offer REAL first person evidentiary tidbits.
I am quite certain that Peter's suggestion was meant with the best of intentions and I know for a fact that his long research in these areas is worthy of the best of us.
I am also a fan of Prouty for all sorts of reasons. This thread is not the place to air these sorts of remarks, I think.
I feel we must all be very mindful of how we word our posts so as not to cause unwitting offense.
You are right again, David. Teenage Fascist rears it's ugly head again. Here is a quote from L. Fletcher Prouty (who is deceased and beyond taking any offense <grin>) It might just possibly convince you to move Prouty over to the column headed disinformation agent, JFK hater, witting agent of the conspiracy, obfuscator and debilitator. I am a bit surprised that you seem to be still enamored of this guy at all.
L. Fletcher Prouty at C.O.P.A. conference in either 1993 or 1994. This never made the sex, lies and video tapes either. Surprise, surprise.
"You know the Kennedys just came over on the boat, when....? right after World War I or thereabouts, and they just thought they could take over this country and run it the way they wanted to without regard to anything. Well I can trace my heritage back at least 5 or 6 generations and maybe even back to the Plymouth Plantation and the Mayflower itself, I am still looking into that. (short pause...) (Then with a sneer on his face... and real anger and bitterness in his voice.) Well, I guess we taught those Kennedys a thing or two now, didn't we?" The audience just went into shocked and stunned silence with only a little bit of barely audible tittering, whispering and chatting. Someone tapped him on the shoulder and he then continued with a more standard tone of voice and a more anti-Gov pro-Kennedy line of bullshit.
When I asked him exactly WHO were the WE you referred to in your statements regarding teaching the Kennedys a thing or two. He just stared back at me sullenly and silently. I said What is the matter? Cat got your tongue? (pause... more sullen silent staring.) More tittering, chatting, shuffling of feet in the audience. Someone in the audience said to me... Why don't you sit down? I said why don't you go phuck yourself then? Then they called a break in the questioning and spliced this incident out of the video tapes which were later sold.
Earlier some guy who looked like he could have been Barry Goldwater's son right down to the black, horn rimmed glasses confided to me during a break"
"You know Colonel Prouty is just like 'US' on the Nigger issues!" Later he said to me "You know that 6,000,000 lie about killing the Jews and the concentration camp thing was not a German thing it was a Polish thing." I said: "What!" He said: "Yeah, Auschwitz was in Poland, not in Germany you know." I faked a gut shot punch on him... and he wimped out and backed off from me as far as he could get. Fat mouth saying THAT to someone with a Polish heritage.
Now what were you just saying about Prouty the rotten lousy bastidge and the KKK supporter, the Kennedy-hater, the lineage lord, the Holocaust Revisionist and the anti-Semite, too? You still think he was telling the truth about anything? Guy from Canada did a fact-check on his New Zealand story and punched it so full of holes it sank to the bottom along with Prouty. Third Decade article. Shannon something maybe. Check out the Mary Ferrell site.
Thanks John.
On Prouty, I have read all his books and found them unusually informative at a time when there was little enough information around. I also think it difficult to typify him as a KKK supporter, Holocaust revisionist and anti-Semite on the say so of a third party claiming to speak on his behalf. But, as always, I am open to being convinced if there is genuine evidence in support of these claims (but a different dedicated thread would be the best answer on this, I think). Your comment re the NZ story is intriguing and if you're able to remember the Canadian's name so I can dig deeper I will -- assuming that the person referenced is himself genuine and not on some sort of mission.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14