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Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile
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Continuing with Barb's remarks (and more for Jack will be coming):

"The service to appear as well as the entire appeal denial docs has been
posted on the moderated group."

answer: So what? from the beginning, I was told that I could never, as a US
citizen, stay permanently. The kind Swedes let me stay ten-and-a-half
months, until my family and friends could provide safe havens for me. Try
to find ANY other American woman who was allowed into the system.

BARB GOES ON:

Martin posted the notice to appear and he and Judyth claimed it as proof she
had asylum in Sweden.

answer: Nit-picking.

Martin posted the letter to prove I had been accepted into the Swedish
political asylum SYSTEM and was NOT an illegal alien, as Barb and others
were accusing me.

BARB DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY ACCUSED ME OF ILLEGALLY HIDING IN SWEDEN.
THEY IMPLIED THAT I WAS ILLEGALLY HIDING IN THE COUNTRY.

SO MARTIN POSTED THE LETTER, PROVING THAT ALL THE WHILE I HAD BEEN IN
"POLITICAL ASYLUM' - ..Not knowing the termnology as does our 'expert,'
Barb, does, he failed to say 'provisional political asylum' --a term our
'expert' Barb claims does not exist in Sweden, despite the presence of sme
14,000 people in Sweden who do not know yet if they can stay, who have been
in Sweden for months.

THOSE PEOPLE LIVE UNDER PROVISIONAL POLITICAL ASYLUM.

I SENT THE LETTER TO MARTIN AND KNEW ITS CONTENTS--ORDER TO APPEAR
CONCERNING LEAVING THE COUNTRY. THE DATE SHOWED I HAD BEEN IN THE SYSTEM
UNDER PROTECTION FOR NINE MONTHS.

BARB NEXT SAYS:

"It was easy to translate. "

But in another part of the post, you see they had some problems translating.

Guess what happened next?

They contacted a Swede in Sweden to get more information, as online you
cannot get into even public files easily....he claimed he was a 'lurker' --
a Swede, no less! on the newsgroup, though he never posted before, and after
a couple posts, never would again.

The convenient Swede "volunteered" to track me down in the records there.

YES, Barb and McAdams, neither of whom ever made a single phone call to me,
who never sent a single email to ask questions, who never met me, GOT
SOMEBODY IN SWEDEN TO REPORT ON WHAT HE COULD FIND OUT ABOUT MY CASE
AND MY PRIVATE FILES. THEY EVEN PUBLISHED MY CASE FILE NUMBER ON THE INTERNET.

FILE NUMBERS ARE SO YOUR NAME ISN'T 'OUT THERE' TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT THEY GOT MY PRIVATE FILE NUMBER AND PUBLISHED IT.

BARB GOES ON:

The whole appeal that was denied ... a Swedish gentleman got the documents
himself and spoke to the person at the Swedish immigration board.

--BEFORE IT WAS ERASED, WE READ THAT MCADAMS HIMSELF (OR SOMEBODY FOR
MCADAMS) CONTACTED THIS 'GENTLEMAN' WHO OTHERWISE REMAINS UN-NAMED.

I WAS TOLD HE WAS A TRANSLATOR IN THE SYSTEM.

MY SWEDISH FRIENDS WERE VERY UPSET, BECAUSE MY FILE NUMBER WAS NOT EASY
TO GET. .THEY COULD NOT GET IT.

I WAS TOLD MY FILE NUMBER WOULD 'ALWAYS' REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND THAT
ANYTHING I PUT IN THAT FILE WOULD REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL, FOREVER.

GOD KNOWS NOW WHAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.

LET'S SEE...THE MAN WHO POSTS THE INFORMATION --IT IS THE FIRST TIME HE
POSTS ON MCADAMS' NEWSGROUP. HE CLAIMS TO BE A LURKER WHO LIVES IN SWEDEN.

HE VANISHES AFTER DELIVERING HIS INFORMATION. YOU NEVER HEAR FROM THE
'GENTLEMAN' AGAIN--

HE HAS DONE HIS JOB.

So, yes, there are documents.

I can dig all that stuff out if someone is actually interested, but Judyth,
though her details are a little different than the reality of it,

--IT'S BARB'S DETAILS THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN 'THE REALITY OF
IT'---

admits her appeal was denied and that she had to leave Sweden, as far as I
know.

If anyone wants any of that, e-mail me or do a google groups advanced search
for Judyth Sweden Asylum Denied as key words. This thing got split and
renamed into several threads.

--IT WAS SPLIT AND RENAMED INTO THREADS SO PEOPLE COULD NOT SEE THAT BARB,
MCADAMS, AND CO. HID THE TRUTH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

But it all started with Pam running to her keyboard to post a little tidbit
about Judyth, that I posted earlier this evening.

PAM PUT THE TIDBIT ON THERE--RAN TO DO IT--TO STOP ACCUSATIONS THAT I WAS AN
ILLEGAL ALIEN HIDING IN SWEDEN.

GOD BLESS HER.

Later Pam announced that she could now reveal that Judyth was in Sweden.

RIGHT--TO STOP THE ACCUSATIONS THAT I WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.

NEXT, THEY SAID I DID NOT GO TO MY MOTHER'S FUNERAL IN DEC. 2007 TO 'PROVE'
THAT I WAS IN SOME KIND OF DANGER, AND WAS LYING.

AS TO MY MOTHER'S DYING IN DEC. 2007, AND MY BEING UNABLE TO GO TO MY OWN
MOTHER'S FUNERAL, DUE TO THREATS AND THE INABILITY TO STAY IN PROTECTION IN
SWEDEN IF I LEFT, THIS COMMENT WAS SO CRUEL AND IDEOUS. THEY HAVE NO
FEELINGS.

HIDEOUS.

A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY ABOUT ANY HUMAN BEING, UPON THE DEATH OF
THEIR MOTHER. HOW DARE THEY.

Nobody was looking for Judyth's whereabouts ....

==NOT SO. WE HAVE SAVED POSTS SHOWING THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ME AND WERE
ASKING AROUND====

but with Pam's announcement of Judyth getting asylum,

==PAMELA SAID I HAD POLITICAL ASYLUM...GEE, SORRY IT DID NOT SAY
PROVISIONAL, ETC. PAM LATER CORRECTED THAT, WHICH THEY SAID DID NOT EXIST.
I HAD TOLD PAM AND SHACK THAT I COULD NOT STAY THERE FOREVER. WE DIDN'T
REALIZE WE WOULD HAVE NIT-PICKING GOING ON, AD NAUSEUM.

BARB DOES NOT GO ON TO TELL THE READERS THAT I WAS LEGALLY ALLOWED TO APPEAL
FOR A THIRD TIME AND COULD HAVE STAYED POSSIBLY UP TO A YEAR OR TWO LONGER.
BUT I HAD OBTAINED SAFE HAVEN AND DD NOT WANT TO BE A PARASITE ON THE
SYSTEM. I LEFT, THOUGH I COULD HAVE LODGED A THIRD APPEAL WHICH OF COURSE
ALSO WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED, AS I COME FROM THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE
HOME OF THE BRAVE.

PLEASE FORGIVE CAPS. I HAVE VISION PROBLEMS.

hey, there was a new claim that sounded bizarre, so some wanted to check it
out. Didn't take long to dismantle the whole thing. And Judyth can thank Pam
for it. :-)

==NOTHING WAS DISMANTLED EXCEPT FOR BARB'S INTEGRITY AT TELLING ONLY A
PORTION OF THE STORY, FROM HER OWN DISTORTED VIEWPOINT AS A PECULIAR
RESEARCHER WHO GOES TO A GREAT DEAL OF TROUBLE OVER A PERIOD OF NEARLY A
DECADE TO DISCREDIT A PERSON SHE HAS NEVER ATTENMPTED TO REACH VIA A SINGLE
EMAIL.

I HAVE NEVER FAILED TO RESPOND POLITELY TO ANYONE WHO CONTACTED ME, EVEN
SELF-DECLARED HOSTILE PERSONS SUCH AS BARB. I ALWAYS PRAY FOR THEM, TOO...

Museum in the Netherlands closed ...

SHE WELL KNOWS IT CLOSED EARLY IN 2004, AS HER NEWSGROUP ANNOUNCED IT ON
THE INTERNET. WAS MAINLY OPEN FOR THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY, THOUGH WE HOPED THE
GALLERY WOULD STAY OPEN LONGER. NIGEL TURNER SAT IN THAT MUSEUM WITH ME AND
SHOWED 'THE LOVE AFFAIR' JUST DAYS BEFORE IT WAS SEEN ON THE HISTORY
CHANNEL. HE THEN WENT TO THE US AND SAW IT WITH MY SISTER. HE THEN WENT TO
MARINA OSWALD IN ROCKWELL, TEXAS, AND SHOWED IT TO HER. SHE SAID, "SO, HE
HAD AN AFFAIR...."

and empty from what I was told by someone just a couple of days ago.

AN INTERNET CAFE MOVED INTO THE MUSEUM SPACE IN 2004.

==I ASK THAT THE THRUST NOT BE DIVERTED, THE FOCUS NOT BE DIVERTED, BY THIS
TWISTED VERSION OF MY TEN AND A HALF MONTHS IN THE POLITICAL ASYLUM SYSTEM
IN SWEDEN...SORRY I OFTEN WROTE 'IN POLITICAL ASYLUM' AND LEFT OUT THE WORD
'SYSTEM' AND SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED, AS WELL AS PAN AND MARTIN, FOR NOT USING
LANGUAGE SUCH AS MUST BE USED IN A COURT OF LAW. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO
MISLEAD, UNLIKE THIS SCREED FROM BARB THAT YOU HAVE JUST READ,

THE INTENTION IS TO DIVERT, ACCUSE ENOUGH THAT THE 'GOLDEN MEAN' IS INVOKED,
--THEY SAY IF A PERSON IS ACCUSED OFTEN ENOUGH, THAT PERSON 'MUST' NOT BE
INNOCENT==

THIS MEANS HAS BEEN USED TO DISTRACT AND DENOUNCE AND DIVERT.

THESE ARE NOT SINCERE RESEARCHERS. I A SURE THAT JACK WHITE, FOR EXAMPLE,
IS SINCERE. PROBABLY OTHERS WHO JUMPED ALL OVER ME. FOR THEY HAD READ
DAMNING EXCERPTS. I DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT MY SIDE OF
THINGS.

I URGE YOU TO SAVE THIS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN PLEASE GO ON TO WHAT IS
TRULY IMPORTANT, FOR WHICH REASONS I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO LIVE SAFELY IN THE
US.

BTW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE BARB AND MCADAMS, ETC. GOING THROUGH ALL YOUR
RECORDS, WHEREVER THEY COULD FIND THEM, FOR A DECADE?

JUDYTH

Bests,
Barb :-)

BARB SAID IT WAS EASY TO GET THE TRANSLATION...BUT POSTED THE INFO
BELOW...NOTE MY COMMENTS ARE IN CAPS. I ALSO CAN PROVIDE THE
DOCUMENTS. (PERSONAL--EVEN
THOUGH THEY PUBLISHED MY FILE NUMBER, PLEASE COVER IT UP! REMEMBER, THIS IS
BEING CONDUCTED TO RED HERRING THE EVIDENCE PRODUCTION EFFORT)

Judyth sought asylum in Sweden. Her application was denied about a month
after she made it. In Sweden, one can appeal that decision, and while
waiting for the appeal to be processed and looked at, "asylum seekers" are
taken care of by the Swedish government. Judyth did appeal. Sweden does not
refer to it as "provisional asylum."

Judyth's appeal took about 7 mos, as I recall. It was denied as well and she
had two weeks (or maybe 6, don't have the docs in front of me) to leave the
country. She didn't leave. She was then served with a notice to appear at
which time her journey home would be discussed. She left Sweden two weeks
later.

Martin posted that Judyth had sent him the letter proving she had been
granted asylum on appeal. He sent it to Tony Marsh to put up on his site.
Here's what I posted in reply to Tony ... so this post includes Martin's
claim, the link to the doc Tony put up, the translation of the doc, and the
link to the Swedish - English translator.

Barb Junkkarinen View profile
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Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
From: Barb Junkkarinen <barbREMOVE...@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:54:12 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 12 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: Judyth's "proof" of a successful appeal for asylum
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Thanks to Tony, this is up on his site.

On 12 Dec 2008 20:24:17 -0500, Anthony Marsh- Hide quoted text -
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<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Barb Junkkarinen wrote:
>> On 12 Dec 2008 15:58:26 -0500, Anthony Marsh
>> <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:

>>> Martin Shackelford wrote:
>>>> I just forwarded a copy to Tony Marsh of the letter granting asylum,
>>>> which was issued in July of this year.

>>> Translation? Babblefish?

>> Just put the document up, Anthony. There are several translators
>> available, as well as at least one person who can read Swedish.


>You can read Swedish? It is in a JPG file so I don't see how any automatic
>translator could handle it. I think you'll have to OCR it first.

This is so short it's easy to type in to a translator.

Martin should have done so before flying off halfcocked again.

Judyth says this is her document saying her appeal was successful and
she had been granted asylum???


First of all, it's obviously an appointment letter with a date, time
and place listed ... and a phone number to call.

What's the appt about? Type the top line into any Swedish to English
translator.

"Du kallas till Migrationsverket for att prata om din hemresa"

translates as.....

QUOTE Translation: Swedish » English

"You are called to the Migration Board for talking about your journey home"

[quote name='Jack White' post='185902' date='Mar 7 2010, 06:11 AM']Does "provisional asylum" mean the "protection of a foreign government"? If so,
there ought to be some official documentation available.

Is she no longer under "Dankbaar asylum" in Amsterdam? What happened to
her LHO Museum there?

Why does she refuse to accept the massive 12 year documentation of John
Armstrong?[/quote]
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Messages In This Thread
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - by Myra Bronstein - 01-03-2010, 01:30 AM
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - by Myra Bronstein - 04-03-2010, 12:18 AM
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - by Myra Bronstein - 04-03-2010, 06:19 AM
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - by James H. Fetzer - 08-03-2010, 08:49 PM
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - by Myra Bronstein - 22-03-2010, 08:53 AM
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