15-03-2010, 03:33 AM
ANOTHER RESPONSE FROM JUDYTH TO JUNKKARNINEN:
BARB ACTS AS IF NOBODY HAD EVER OFFERED INFORMATION ABOUT ME
TO HER NEWSGROUP, THAT SHE HAD TO GO HUNTING FOR IT. THIS IS NOT
TRUE. OUTSIDERS WHO OFFERED INFORMATION ABOUT ME WERE TREATED
RUDELY OR IGNORED, SUCH AS THE PERSON WHOSE POSTS I OFFER BELOW.
AS FOR MCADAMS' NEWSGROUP AND HOW BARB AND THE OTHERS DO THEIR
'RESEARCH' I HAVE AN UNSOLICITED POST THAT A DUTCHMAN MADE TO THAT
NEWSGROUP. I BELIEVE THAT THE FORUM SHOULD SEE THIS LETTER AND THEN
DECIDE IF BARB, WHO ALWAYS CHIMED IN WITH MOCKERY THERE AT ME, CAN
HONESTLY DEPICT HERSELF AS A RESEARCHER WITHOUT AN AGENDA. I HAVE
PLACED IN BOLD FACE THE MORE INTERESTING COMMENTS THAT HE MADE.
BELOW THAT IS A SECOND POST MADE SEVERAL YEARS LATER BY THE SAME
PERSON. THERE HE MENTIONS THAT I HAD THREATS. BARB WANTED EVIDENCE
OF THREATS, ETC. THIS IS FROM A THIRD ARTY AND I OFFER THIS AS A SECOND
EXAMPLE. SHE CAN GO DO RESEARCH ON TO FIND OUT IF IT REALLY HAPPENED,
SINCE SHE ASKED FOR POLICE REPORTS, ETC. AND IMPLIED I MADE THINGS UP.
THANK YOU!
JVB
From: Boosh (boes-rizzo@zonnet.nl)
Subject: My connection with Judyth.
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
Date: 2003-07-19 06:24:56 PST
After posting on this group once or twice I feel the need to explain who I
am and tell more about the way I met Judyth Vary Baker.
It seems like a lot of people on here do not believe I exist neither do
they believe Wim Dankbaar exist. After my first post I got some stupid
answers and questions (not all replies by the way). Also did I get emails of
people which had a virus attached.
First of all, who am I? :
My name is Boosh, this as an alias, not because I want to hide stuff. It's
simply the point of having a dutch name and lots of friends from the U.K.
and Australia. These people can't write my dutch name (they always misspell
it). That's why they all know me as Boosh (which is the phonetic version of
my name).
I am 32 years old and got married a few weeks ago. My wife is expecting her
first baby and is in her third month of pregnancy.
I am a professional chef in a huge kitchen. My job is to cook for
physically and mentally handicapped people. Also am I a sound engineer and
songwriter. Singer of a band and in my hometown most people who go to bars
and clubs know who I am 'cause my appearance is rather different from other
people.
I am born and raised in the Netherlands as were my forefathers. Our family
history goes back 400 years.
How did I meet Judyth?:
A few weeks ago I read an article about JVB in a newspaper and told my wife
I'd like to meet that woman sometimes 'cause the article peeked my interest.
At the moment we're celebrating a little honeymoon, we went to Belgium for a
few days and since the weather is great in the Netherlands (which doesn't
happen that much) we decided we'd spend the rest of our vacation in our
hometown.
On Tuesday the 15th of July we went over to a cheap little restaurant (main
course over there is $12). A friend of mine is working there as a bartender
and since he couldn't make it to my wedding I thought well hey let's have
dinner at his place and meet him.
During the meal I was having with my wife I saw Judyth walking in the
restaurant and I recognized her from a pic I saw in the newspaper.
After we were finished with our dinner I turned around and noticed her
sitting alone on the table behind us. I then asked her if she was the Lee
Harvey Oswald lady.
She right away asked me if we would join her on her table and asked me if I
was American because of my accent. I told her I was Dutch and she noticed I
spoke english with american, uk-english and australian accent. Which is not
strange cause I have loads of english and australian friends.
I had several Irish coffees and smokes while we were sitting on her table
and she told us her story. She also told me I smoke too much and drinking is
not healthy.
I was intrigued by her story and asked her if I could stop by at the museum
and hear more.
She told me to do that and me and my wife went home.
My first post here:
After I got home I started to browse the internet looking for information on
this subject and read numerous articles and saw dozens of websites.
I came across this newsgroup and noticed a discussion about Judyth.
My intention of letting people on here ask questions was merely because I
noticed that people are judging her without seeing her evidence or talking
directly to her. My silly thought was to gather the questions and ask them
to Judyth and tell her about this group. I wanted to ask her to give answers
and post them on this newsgroup.
The best example of stupid ass questions I got was: Ask her if she played
any part in the Lincoln assassination.
By then I already decided that it was of no use to participate in asking
her stuff for the sake of this group.
I made the people an offer and some responded by sending me emails with
attachments, some asked stupid questions and some didn't believe I was a real
person.
My second meeting with Judyth:
On Friday the 18th of July 2003 at aproxx. 3:30 pm me and my wife walked in
to her little museum. Judyth was sitting on a chair talking to a 42 (at least
that my guess) years old man. She got up right away and welcomed us to her
place. She introduced us to the man who was Wim Dankbaar. A very nice guy.
Allthough he discovered after a few minutes that we (the wife and me) were
not english. He kept talking english to us to be polite to Judyth.
Judyth started to give us a tour while he was watching some stuff on a
video.
After a while he said goodbye and left for home. Judyth gave us a full tour
and told us the exact same story she did earlier this week but this time she
went deeper in to things. She showed us loads of original material and proof
about who she was and what she had done in her life.
To me Judyth appears to be a very nice lady with very good manners and an
incredible story. She talks very fast but sometimes she has to stop when she
gets emotional or is in pain due to an accident she once had.
I enjoyed being with her and although she was worn out after one hour of
talking she just kept going on and on.
We came in at 3:30 and left at 6:15 PM. I asked Judyth if I could come back
again and she told me and my wife we're always welcome.
About the museum: The museum is also an art gallery. On the walls there's
loads of photos, original manuscripts, photocopies etc etc. Above all these
things hang paintings she did herself and which are for sale. She sells her
artwork to make a living and I must say they look great! She never asked
admission fee for entrance of her museum and she didn't ask donations. She
gave me some leaflets and a newspaper with her story in it.
Now to all people on here:
Judyth Vary Baker was very sincere to me. I got an answer to every question
I had and she showed me every piece of paper I asked her for.
She is a nice lady and she reminds me of my mother. When I first met her I
told her she looked a bit like Janis Joplin (the no dope version haha) she
laughed about that.
She is not sponging anyone of and tried to sell her artwork to make money. She
does not eat in fine hotels (like someone suggested). Instead of that she
eats at home and sometimes eats a salad (6$) in my friends restaurant.
I have no political interest and I haven't formed a point of view on the
whole JFK case. I do not know the truth and therefore I don't back anyone
up. I am not religious. I do not believe any conspiracy or the so-called
truth told by the U.S. Government.
I just think that Judyth Vary Baker has got a story to tell (whether it's the
truth or not). I cannot judge her by listening to her story for five hours
and seeing her stuff. She has so much prove and I don't know where to start.
The only thing she did is be very very nice and peek my interest.
To Judy: Dear Judy, I am glad I met you and thank you for sharing your time
and story with me and R. I will come back to your place regularly. Not only
because I'm interested but also because I think you're a great person. Like
I told you before: You've got two new friends.
To Wim: Nice to have met you this week and I'm glad with every piece of info
you can come up with,regards Boosh.
====================several years passed====
Introducing myself
by ArjanBoes on Sat May 06, 2006 9:56 pm
Hi there,
I'd like the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Arjan Boes and I'm a music-
producer from the Netherlands. I got interested in the JFK assassination a few years
back after reading an article in a dutch newspaper about Judyth Vary Baker.
A week later I was having dinner in a little restaurant when Judyth came in
and sat next to me and my fiancee's table. I recognized her from the picture in
the newspaper and started talking to her. We had a few drinks together and
Judyth invited us to come and visit her at her little museum.
I visited her two or three times, 1 time with my fiancee. At one of these occasions
I had a long talk with Wim and we shared a bottle of wine that I got from a friend
of mine's bar that afternoon.
Due to personal reasons and the moving of Jude (as I call her) we lost contact but
occasionally I browsed the internet to see if there were further developments.
I focussed on producing music mainly and Wim kept searching for the truth.
Last week I saw a television program about the findings of Wim and I contacted
him again.
I like to state for the record that:
I am not a believer of a single gunman theory.
I am not a truely believer of any conspiracy theory whatsoever.
I am not religious.
I am not political active nor do I vote when there are elections in my country.
Alltough my name is Boes and some people know me by my artist name "Boosh" and
my band's name is Bushcollectors. I am not related or linked to the Bush family nor
do I have sympathies for them or connections with them.
I am not as some people a few years ago stated an American citizen or from American
descent. People came to that conclusion just because I used abbreviations commonly
used in english. I just know a bit of the english language. My family is from pure Dutch
descent and my family tree goes back as far as 11 generations. Our first known ancestor
was born in the Netherlands around 1580.
I am here to get information for a project I want to do and I'll ask lots of questions.
I am not affraid of consequences. I know Judyth was threatened and some weird things
happended to her when she was living in my hometown. I've had guns in my face a few
times in my life and it really doesn't matter to me if a weird junkie that robs me pulls a
gun on me or a CIA guy that wants to silence me. I know the truth is out there and that
there are people like Wim Dankbaar that will do anything to find the truth.
Currently I am reading Wim's book which I bought yesterday. I'll read and read and browse
everything on the net before I make my own conclusion. Untill then I am blank. In other
words : I don't know what to believe and have to put every piece of evidence and theory
in place. Maybe I take sides but for now I am a newcomer, totally unbiased.
If anyone on here has any questions just shoot them at me and I will answer them.
Arjan Boes ( aka Boosh) producer and founder of "the Bushcollectors"
BARB ACTS AS IF NOBODY HAD EVER OFFERED INFORMATION ABOUT ME
TO HER NEWSGROUP, THAT SHE HAD TO GO HUNTING FOR IT. THIS IS NOT
TRUE. OUTSIDERS WHO OFFERED INFORMATION ABOUT ME WERE TREATED
RUDELY OR IGNORED, SUCH AS THE PERSON WHOSE POSTS I OFFER BELOW.
AS FOR MCADAMS' NEWSGROUP AND HOW BARB AND THE OTHERS DO THEIR
'RESEARCH' I HAVE AN UNSOLICITED POST THAT A DUTCHMAN MADE TO THAT
NEWSGROUP. I BELIEVE THAT THE FORUM SHOULD SEE THIS LETTER AND THEN
DECIDE IF BARB, WHO ALWAYS CHIMED IN WITH MOCKERY THERE AT ME, CAN
HONESTLY DEPICT HERSELF AS A RESEARCHER WITHOUT AN AGENDA. I HAVE
PLACED IN BOLD FACE THE MORE INTERESTING COMMENTS THAT HE MADE.
BELOW THAT IS A SECOND POST MADE SEVERAL YEARS LATER BY THE SAME
PERSON. THERE HE MENTIONS THAT I HAD THREATS. BARB WANTED EVIDENCE
OF THREATS, ETC. THIS IS FROM A THIRD ARTY AND I OFFER THIS AS A SECOND
EXAMPLE. SHE CAN GO DO RESEARCH ON TO FIND OUT IF IT REALLY HAPPENED,
SINCE SHE ASKED FOR POLICE REPORTS, ETC. AND IMPLIED I MADE THINGS UP.
THANK YOU!
JVB
From: Boosh (boes-rizzo@zonnet.nl)
Subject: My connection with Judyth.
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
Date: 2003-07-19 06:24:56 PST
After posting on this group once or twice I feel the need to explain who I
am and tell more about the way I met Judyth Vary Baker.
It seems like a lot of people on here do not believe I exist neither do
they believe Wim Dankbaar exist. After my first post I got some stupid
answers and questions (not all replies by the way). Also did I get emails of
people which had a virus attached.
First of all, who am I? :
My name is Boosh, this as an alias, not because I want to hide stuff. It's
simply the point of having a dutch name and lots of friends from the U.K.
and Australia. These people can't write my dutch name (they always misspell
it). That's why they all know me as Boosh (which is the phonetic version of
my name).
I am 32 years old and got married a few weeks ago. My wife is expecting her
first baby and is in her third month of pregnancy.
I am a professional chef in a huge kitchen. My job is to cook for
physically and mentally handicapped people. Also am I a sound engineer and
songwriter. Singer of a band and in my hometown most people who go to bars
and clubs know who I am 'cause my appearance is rather different from other
people.
I am born and raised in the Netherlands as were my forefathers. Our family
history goes back 400 years.
How did I meet Judyth?:
A few weeks ago I read an article about JVB in a newspaper and told my wife
I'd like to meet that woman sometimes 'cause the article peeked my interest.
At the moment we're celebrating a little honeymoon, we went to Belgium for a
few days and since the weather is great in the Netherlands (which doesn't
happen that much) we decided we'd spend the rest of our vacation in our
hometown.
On Tuesday the 15th of July we went over to a cheap little restaurant (main
course over there is $12). A friend of mine is working there as a bartender
and since he couldn't make it to my wedding I thought well hey let's have
dinner at his place and meet him.
During the meal I was having with my wife I saw Judyth walking in the
restaurant and I recognized her from a pic I saw in the newspaper.
After we were finished with our dinner I turned around and noticed her
sitting alone on the table behind us. I then asked her if she was the Lee
Harvey Oswald lady.
She right away asked me if we would join her on her table and asked me if I
was American because of my accent. I told her I was Dutch and she noticed I
spoke english with american, uk-english and australian accent. Which is not
strange cause I have loads of english and australian friends.
I had several Irish coffees and smokes while we were sitting on her table
and she told us her story. She also told me I smoke too much and drinking is
not healthy.
I was intrigued by her story and asked her if I could stop by at the museum
and hear more.
She told me to do that and me and my wife went home.
My first post here:
After I got home I started to browse the internet looking for information on
this subject and read numerous articles and saw dozens of websites.
I came across this newsgroup and noticed a discussion about Judyth.
My intention of letting people on here ask questions was merely because I
noticed that people are judging her without seeing her evidence or talking
directly to her. My silly thought was to gather the questions and ask them
to Judyth and tell her about this group. I wanted to ask her to give answers
and post them on this newsgroup.
The best example of stupid ass questions I got was: Ask her if she played
any part in the Lincoln assassination.
By then I already decided that it was of no use to participate in asking
her stuff for the sake of this group.
I made the people an offer and some responded by sending me emails with
attachments, some asked stupid questions and some didn't believe I was a real
person.
My second meeting with Judyth:
On Friday the 18th of July 2003 at aproxx. 3:30 pm me and my wife walked in
to her little museum. Judyth was sitting on a chair talking to a 42 (at least
that my guess) years old man. She got up right away and welcomed us to her
place. She introduced us to the man who was Wim Dankbaar. A very nice guy.
Allthough he discovered after a few minutes that we (the wife and me) were
not english. He kept talking english to us to be polite to Judyth.
Judyth started to give us a tour while he was watching some stuff on a
video.
After a while he said goodbye and left for home. Judyth gave us a full tour
and told us the exact same story she did earlier this week but this time she
went deeper in to things. She showed us loads of original material and proof
about who she was and what she had done in her life.
To me Judyth appears to be a very nice lady with very good manners and an
incredible story. She talks very fast but sometimes she has to stop when she
gets emotional or is in pain due to an accident she once had.
I enjoyed being with her and although she was worn out after one hour of
talking she just kept going on and on.
We came in at 3:30 and left at 6:15 PM. I asked Judyth if I could come back
again and she told me and my wife we're always welcome.
About the museum: The museum is also an art gallery. On the walls there's
loads of photos, original manuscripts, photocopies etc etc. Above all these
things hang paintings she did herself and which are for sale. She sells her
artwork to make a living and I must say they look great! She never asked
admission fee for entrance of her museum and she didn't ask donations. She
gave me some leaflets and a newspaper with her story in it.
Now to all people on here:
Judyth Vary Baker was very sincere to me. I got an answer to every question
I had and she showed me every piece of paper I asked her for.
She is a nice lady and she reminds me of my mother. When I first met her I
told her she looked a bit like Janis Joplin (the no dope version haha) she
laughed about that.
She is not sponging anyone of and tried to sell her artwork to make money. She
does not eat in fine hotels (like someone suggested). Instead of that she
eats at home and sometimes eats a salad (6$) in my friends restaurant.
I have no political interest and I haven't formed a point of view on the
whole JFK case. I do not know the truth and therefore I don't back anyone
up. I am not religious. I do not believe any conspiracy or the so-called
truth told by the U.S. Government.
I just think that Judyth Vary Baker has got a story to tell (whether it's the
truth or not). I cannot judge her by listening to her story for five hours
and seeing her stuff. She has so much prove and I don't know where to start.
The only thing she did is be very very nice and peek my interest.
To Judy: Dear Judy, I am glad I met you and thank you for sharing your time
and story with me and R. I will come back to your place regularly. Not only
because I'm interested but also because I think you're a great person. Like
I told you before: You've got two new friends.
To Wim: Nice to have met you this week and I'm glad with every piece of info
you can come up with,regards Boosh.
====================several years passed====
Introducing myself
by ArjanBoes on Sat May 06, 2006 9:56 pm
Hi there,
I'd like the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Arjan Boes and I'm a music-
producer from the Netherlands. I got interested in the JFK assassination a few years
back after reading an article in a dutch newspaper about Judyth Vary Baker.
A week later I was having dinner in a little restaurant when Judyth came in
and sat next to me and my fiancee's table. I recognized her from the picture in
the newspaper and started talking to her. We had a few drinks together and
Judyth invited us to come and visit her at her little museum.
I visited her two or three times, 1 time with my fiancee. At one of these occasions
I had a long talk with Wim and we shared a bottle of wine that I got from a friend
of mine's bar that afternoon.
Due to personal reasons and the moving of Jude (as I call her) we lost contact but
occasionally I browsed the internet to see if there were further developments.
I focussed on producing music mainly and Wim kept searching for the truth.
Last week I saw a television program about the findings of Wim and I contacted
him again.
I like to state for the record that:
I am not a believer of a single gunman theory.
I am not a truely believer of any conspiracy theory whatsoever.
I am not religious.
I am not political active nor do I vote when there are elections in my country.
Alltough my name is Boes and some people know me by my artist name "Boosh" and
my band's name is Bushcollectors. I am not related or linked to the Bush family nor
do I have sympathies for them or connections with them.
I am not as some people a few years ago stated an American citizen or from American
descent. People came to that conclusion just because I used abbreviations commonly
used in english. I just know a bit of the english language. My family is from pure Dutch
descent and my family tree goes back as far as 11 generations. Our first known ancestor
was born in the Netherlands around 1580.
I am here to get information for a project I want to do and I'll ask lots of questions.
I am not affraid of consequences. I know Judyth was threatened and some weird things
happended to her when she was living in my hometown. I've had guns in my face a few
times in my life and it really doesn't matter to me if a weird junkie that robs me pulls a
gun on me or a CIA guy that wants to silence me. I know the truth is out there and that
there are people like Wim Dankbaar that will do anything to find the truth.
Currently I am reading Wim's book which I bought yesterday. I'll read and read and browse
everything on the net before I make my own conclusion. Untill then I am blank. In other
words : I don't know what to believe and have to put every piece of evidence and theory
in place. Maybe I take sides but for now I am a newcomer, totally unbiased.
If anyone on here has any questions just shoot them at me and I will answer them.
Arjan Boes ( aka Boosh) producer and founder of "the Bushcollectors"